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Sassyoh, sorry if I sounded rude! I think it's awesome you're working with math tutors. Your situation is absolutely not what I was referring to.

I get annoyed with my female friends who don't attempt to even add simple numbers or do back of the envelope calculations, then laugh it off because they know no one expects them to do well and they don't expect it of themselves either. They don't want to try and are fine with being "terrible". I don't think it's asking much for someone to figure out how to calculate 20% of $30, for example.

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Percents are often difficult for people who have math anxiety or similar. Percents and fractions are two things that almost every single one of my ged students need to either review or learn, regardless of their current skill set.

Once we work at it, sure, a quick estimate of a multiple of 10% is easy, but it isn't when people find the mention of the word "percent" paralyzing.

I would estimate that a solid 75% of my ged students have some form of math anxiety. For whatever reason, they feel they can't learn math. 100% of them learn math up through algebra (where ged used to stop), we just have to deal with those pesky insecurities and phobias first.

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lepelaar, that's a very reasonable way to look at it.
Also: "dillhole."

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Is there a line between talking about one's girlfriend and talking about women in general? I feel like this might not be offensive since he's not, as far as I can tell, talking about the genders in general in this way. Then again, I'd feel free to lay this kind of criticism on a movie/tv show writer because they need to be less stereotypical and more diverse just to make shows more interesting (if not to also destroy all the incorrect stereotypes out there).


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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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Because ladies, it's YOUR job to make sure men go vegan.


I stopped dating a guy because he had this attitude among other crappy behaviours. On the second date he literally said to me that if I made him lots of tasty vegan food, I could probably convert him to veganism. He seriously expected this to get a positive response.

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When I was poking around OkCupid, I got lots of offers like that. (It was a pretty effective conversation killer.)

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Imogen wrote:
jordanpattern wrote:
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/how-to-get-your-guy-loving-vegan-food/

Because ladies, it's YOUR job to make sure men go vegan.
I stopped dating a guy because he had this attitude among other crappy behaviours. On the second date he literally said to me that if I made him lots of tasty vegan food, I could probably convert him to veganism. He seriously expected this to get a positive response.
Gee, if you'd stuck it out maybe you could have earned the ultimate prize, like that lucky woman who made her douchebag BF a few hundred sandwiches and traded her self-respect for a wedding ring (a bargain!)!

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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I feel like there are a lot of famours people in the news lately showing that they don't understand the concept of feminism. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... t-20140604

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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I feel like there are a lot of famours people in the news lately showing that they don't understand the concept of feminism. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... t-20140604
Ugh. I have no idea who this person is, but she sounds like a complete idiot. Attitudes like this (taken in combination with the growing push for legislation restricting women's reproductive rights and sexual autonomy, among other things) are what make me afraid our daughters and granddaughters are going to have to fight to win back everything our mothers and grandmothers fought for. And I suppose it would be unrealistic to imagine that she knows the word "ultraviolence" was coined for A Clockwork Orange, or its association with misogyny, rape, and murder? "Intergalactic possibilities," indeed.

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And I suppose it would be unrealistic to imagine that she knows the word "ultraviolence" was coined for A Clockwork Orange, or its association with misogyny, rape, and murder?


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I wondered the same thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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I didn't even think about that. It's really bizarre. I also dont see how my feminism makes it impossible to think about space...

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I didn't even think about that. It's really bizarre. I also dont see how my feminism makes it impossible to think about space...
Seriously; in fact, we rule that sh*t!Image

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This man came into my work today and my male co-worker asked him if he needed help (I was down an aisle not paying any attention and was focusing on my work) and he completely ignored my co-worker, walked past him and down the aisle to me and asked me if I could help him. I just stood there kind of surprised because of him completely ignoring the other worker and I said, "He can help you." The man said that it was a question for ladies, that a lady would know. I stood there waiting for him to spit out what he wanted and I couldn't even understand what he was talking about but my co-worker figured it out. He was looking for hairdryers. FFS. Hairdryers. I said to him, "Anything that I can help you with, he can help you with just as much."

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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This man came into my work today and my male co-worker asked him if he needed help (I was down an aisle not paying any attention and was focusing on my work) and he completely ignored my co-worker, walked past him and down the aisle to me and asked me if I could help him. I just stood there kind of surprised because of him completely ignoring the other worker and I said, "He can help you." The man said that it was a question for ladies, that a lady would know. I stood there waiting for him to spit out what he wanted and I couldn't even understand what he was talking about but my co-worker figured it out. He was looking for hairdryers. FFS. Hairdryers. I said to him, "Anything that I can help you with, he can help you with just as much."
Because only women have hair? Or wash and dry their hair? Or something?

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I feel like there are a lot of famours people in the news lately showing that they don't understand the concept of feminism. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... t-20140604


I just saw this thing (meme? thing?) today:

What people say: I'm not a feminist. What I believe is [description of feminism].

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Sassyoh, sorry if I sounded rude! I think it's awesome you're working with math tutors. Your situation is absolutely not what I was referring to.

I get annoyed with my female friends who don't attempt to even add simple numbers or do back of the envelope calculations, then laugh it off because they know no one expects them to do well and they don't expect it of themselves either. They don't want to try and are fine with being "terrible". I don't think it's asking much for someone to figure out how to calculate 20% of $30, for example.


You didn't, I'm just touchy about math! :)


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I hate math, and I really struggle with it. I understand that perpetuating this stereotype isn't cool, but I find it frustrating when people imply (or accuse, as happened on FB when I was bisqueing about math class) that I'm just not applying myself, or that I think it's cute to suck at math. I have a tutor, I do my homework, I study, and I go to math lab, and I still struggle to pass. It's upsetting. I'm not bragging about it and being incompetent in this area is really demoralizing to me.


Sassy, maybe you should try another tutor? Almost always, when I tutor math, the problems stem from old material that hasn't been properly understood, so it spirals and things become impossible. When I tutored calculus students, it was always pre-algebra and algebra that we needed to work on before the calculus clicked.

I had much better results than the other tutors because they were mostly all people who were naturally good with math and I used to struggle badly so I understand where and why people get stuck. One algebra tutor told me in middle school that he couldn't help me. I was trying too. It sucked.

If you tell me what subjects you are doing now, I can dig up some math help resources that you could try. The frustrating thing with math is everybody learns it differently and you can try lots of things before it makes sense, but schools tend to have to go with more of a one size fits all approach.


That is very kind of you, thank you :)
I will be starting intermediate algebra in the fall. I had some pretty serious problems (depression, abuse, unstable home life, etc) when I was first learning this stuff in high school. Now that I'm older (much older!) and I want to get my degree, I have to re-learn all the math I barely learned twenty years ago. It sure does suck!

And thank you to all who offered encouragement and kind words, too!


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I feel like there are a lot of famours people in the news lately showing that they don't understand the concept of feminism. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... t-20140604


I'm increasingly disturbed by the numbers of young women I meet who tell me they think feminism is 'boring' or unnecessary. I go to school with a lot of young people (19-22ish) and very few of them are knowledgeable about women's rights. It makes me sad. How do we make feminism cool again? Do we make it...pink?


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As the mother of two budding feminists, I think that we just have to keep educating them. Reminding them that x is feminism or y is feminism. My girls spend a lot of time rolling eyes at me. But in the long run, I hear them educating their friends.

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I feel like there are a lot of famours people in the news lately showing that they don't understand the concept of feminism. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... t-20140604


I'm increasingly disturbed by the numbers of young women I meet who tell me they think feminism is 'boring' or unnecessary. I go to school with a lot of young people (19-22ish) and very few of them are knowledgeable about women's rights. It makes me sad. How do we make feminism cool again? Do we make it...pink?


I am a feminist, but I often feel alienated by feminist discourse and some of the more vocal feminist blogs/voices out there. I think that many of these younger women may be feeling the same way. It probably seems like a high bar to clear for some younger women who may have an interest in feminism but are turned off/turned away because they inadvertently use a term or phrase that is frowned on by the feminist community, or because they're told that their interests and tastes and ideas are "problematic."

I think this is a valid issue, and I don't think it's terribly feminist to suggest that the reason younger women aren't taking to feminism is because they want it to be "pink."

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I think people are not interested in feminism because a) the rest of society pretty much tries to make sure feminism is uncool and in contrast to everything that is popular and important in main stream culture and b) because the most annoying feminist voices are often the loudest. Which plays right into the "feminism is crazy bs" hand.

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I feel like there are a lot of famours people in the news lately showing that they don't understand the concept of feminism. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... t-20140604


I'm increasingly disturbed by the numbers of young women I meet who tell me they think feminism is 'boring' or unnecessary. I go to school with a lot of young people (19-22ish) and very few of them are knowledgeable about women's rights. It makes me sad. How do we make feminism cool again? Do we make it...pink?


I am a feminist, but I often feel alienated by feminist discourse and some of the more vocal feminist blogs/voices out there. I think that many of these younger women may be feeling the same way. It probably seems like a high bar to clear for some younger women who may have an interest in feminism but are turned off/turned away because they inadvertently use a term or phrase that is frowned on by the feminist community, or because they're told that their interests and tastes and ideas are "problematic."

I think this is a valid issue, and I don't think it's terribly feminist to suggest that the reason younger women aren't taking to feminism is because they want it to be "pink."


I was kidding, jeez. I was thinking of this comic. There's obviously a need to make feminism more appealing, I just don't know how to do that.
I work for a non-profit that helps women involved in commercial sexual exploitation. Part of my job is presenting to young people in in high-risk situations (transitional homes, recovery facilities, et cetera). In that context, I find that they are very receptive to feminist ideas, and many of them tell me that their opinions on women's issues are changing for the better, and that they didn't realize how patriarchy feeds exploitation. But, they are a captive audience--attending discussion groups and presentations is mandatory, and they've learned that the time passes much more quickly when they are active participants. When I'm at school, I don't have the same sort of audience. The young women I'm talking to have NO desire to engage in anything that hints of feminism. I don't want to preach, or hassle them, but I haven't found an 'in' to open up a discussion.


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