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 Post subject: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:06 am 
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Daiya published recipes with meat on their site. Their site shut down after a bunch of backlash comments. Now some vegans put up a Facebook page to boycott Daiya:

https://www.facebook.com/daiyahurtsanimals

I'm undecided. I buy my groceries from stores that also sell meat. OTOH, I think at the least it is good for Daiya to know who their customers are.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:14 am 
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I have a coworker who has a son that is lactose intolerant she buys Daiya and puts it on meat. I imagine she's not the only one.

Anyway, when a local veg group posted the site with the meaty recipes it looked like they were user-submitted, and there were things added by the company like "try this with Tofurkey slices instead!" so I don't see why people flipped over this. Like 2% of my groceries are from companies that ONLY sell vegan products.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:43 am 
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Yeah I've never had Daiya being British and all, but I know I've seen companies here that make "dairy free" items (like milk etc) with websites that show non-vegan recipes.

I suppose unless a company explicitly advertises itself as "vegan" I never assume that it is. I think there are actually quite a lot of people out there who avoid dairy for reasons other than veganism. If I assumed everyone who got a soy milk latte in starbucks was vegan, well, I think I'd probably double the vegan population in the world.

I don't know if Daiya ever claimed to be exclusively vegan, but if they didn't, then what is the problem? I buy lots of things that don't come from vegan companies. I'm not entirely sure what I'd be able to eat if I didn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:28 am 
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Yeah, I think this has been blown pretty badly out of proportion. Vegans are absolutely not the only Daiya customers! That said, Daiya is typically a fixture at vegetarian festivals so I can kind of see why people are finding this conflicting.

I do remember getting a Daiya coupon and there was a couple food pictures on it, and I think one might have been a chicken breast or something. And for a brief moment I was shocked because I had forgotten about them not being vegan. Annnnd then I used the coupon.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:14 am 
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Non-dairy cheese isn't just for vegans, so...?

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:03 am 
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I'm happy to share my Daiya with non-vegans. It means more demand for Daiya, and more access to Daiya for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
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I know that in the grand scheme of things it isn't that many people who have liked this page... but it still makes me sad for veganism and the animal rights movement. It's just so demonstrative of the trouble we have keeping our eyes on the prize, and frankly makes us look more ridiculous than PETA. I personally don't like daiya in most applications, but if omnivores like it enough to make the switch that is AMAZING and has the potential to save the lives of millions of animals a year. I actually like that they're advertising to the non-vegan crowd and hope they keep it up.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:40 am 
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^Heartily agreed. I think the boycott is ridiculous, counterproductive, and petty. To my knowledge, Daiya has never presented itself as being an ethically vegan company. I don't know why they have more of an obligation to behave that way than any other company that makes vegan products but is not an ethical vegan company that advertises as such.

All that isn't to mention that to me, it looked like those recipes were submitted by readers/customers/fans/whatever, which makes it even stupider and more shitty to boycott on that basis.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
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Talk about biting the hand that feeds you! Keep on Keeping on Daiya.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:56 am 
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^ with you all on this. It would be different if they claimed to be an ethical vegan company. I also think there are bigger things to be getting angry about, that Flaco's shiitake for example.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:49 pm 
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We welcome any and all opinions. Hopefully they are factual, logical, and reasonable... because we will respond with fact, logic, and reason. Our argument isn't an emotional one, but a rational one. What Daiya has done and continues to do is irrational, illogical, and unethical. If you would like a debate, bring it... but we ask you kindly that you to avoid the logical fallacies of "welfarism" and it's cousin: speciesism. We are here to educate and defend/speak for the animals. Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:24 pm 
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I agree that this seems silly. I don't think Daiya ever claimed to be a vegan company. Isn't their "thing" just being free of the most common allergens?


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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:36 pm 
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Nebraskalaska wrote:
I know that in the grand scheme of things it isn't that many people who have liked this page... but it still makes me sad for veganism and the animal rights movement. It's just so demonstrative of the trouble we have keeping our eyes on the prize, and frankly makes us look more ridiculous than PETA. I personally don't like daiya in most applications, but if omnivores like it enough to make the switch that is AMAZING and has the potential to save the lives of millions of animals a year. I actually like that they're advertising to the non-vegan crowd and hope they keep it up.


Cosign! Not only do I not see a reason to boycott Daiya, I'm sad that some vegans are boycotting it. If Daiya were to take off among omnis, it would be that much better for dairy cows! I would much rather boycott palm oil.


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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
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joyfulgirl wrote:
I agree that this seems silly. I don't think Daiya ever claimed to be a vegan company. Isn't their "thing" just being free of the most common allergens?


That's always been my impression. I remember reading that the founders were long-time vegans who were disappointed by most vegan cheese, but I don't remember them really touching on ethics, just allergies.


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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:53 pm 
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This sounds like the most ridiculous thing ever, give me a forking break. I don't even buy daiya but those boycott vegans, yes they are the ones that give vegans a bad name. forking vegans.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
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It reminds me of people who said they weren't going to buy Almond Breeze anymore because of the new touch of honey flavor.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:28 pm 
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"Daiya Hurts Animals"- seriously, people?

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
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ah, that is the dumbest facebook ever. only 190 likes, which is good, but even that many still sucks.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:58 pm 
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Not boycotting. As long as Daiya's still vegan, I'm still buying it. A meaty Facebook picture doesn't bother me. It's an omnivore world.

I don't buy only from 100% vegan companies, nor would I until perhaps that far off day when vegans are in the majority.


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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:35 am 
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I don't have access to Daiya, but boycotting it because they have non-vegan recipes on their website seems ridiculous. Do the same people boycott fruit & veg from their supermarket or market because they also sell non-vegan foods? Where on earth do these perfect vegans buy their vegan foods?

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:18 pm 
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And I decided to engage but I've disengaged now. Really? We can't celebrate people eating _less_ animal products? And an economy that has frankly stunk, if you want to expand your business, sounds like a good way to try to appeal to people who aren't vegan. I rather see companies with vegan products try to expand into non-vegan markets than try to cater to vegans.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
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Why aren't all of these same people boycotting Galaxy products and company. They market a dairy free cheese product that contains casein and isn't vegan at all!

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
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Not only that but I checked various companies with vegan products, Gardein and Tofutti both have non-vegan recipes on their site. Better start boycotting those too. And I also want to see where these people shop because every place I go sells non-vegan products, except for Pangea which sells products from companies that may also sell non-vegan products.

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 Post subject: Re: Daiya Boycott
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School those boycotters linanil!

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