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 Post subject: Brexit?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:56 pm 
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I'm in the US, but wanted to hear more from British PPKers about the Brexit vote. Here in the US, economists are saying a "Leave" vote could damage the world economy, and the "Leave" campaign seems fear-driven, so I'm crossing my fingers for "Remain" to wn the day, though of course, the stakes are lower for those of us who don't live in Britain or the EU. What is being said in Britain? What is at stake for those of you who live there?


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:23 pm 
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I'm just shocked. I don't see how this happened and unraveling Britain from the EU is going to be so messy.

This election makes me worry that Donald Trump is electable, and that the silent majority isn't sensible enough to stop the country doing dumb things

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Yay for making money in Forex.

What a mess. I'm not surprised, but I am still shocked.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:33 pm 
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Yay for making money in Forex.

But boo for losing money in virtually every other market.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:48 pm 
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Tofulish wrote:


I'm just shocked. I don't see how this happened and unraveling Britain from the EU is going to be so messy.

This election makes me worry that Donald Trump is electable, and that the silent majority isn't sensible enough to stop the country doing dumb things


Yeah, it is shocking. Until it actually happened, I didn't think it would. Is it just me or is right wing nationalism rising overall everywhere? It feels that way anyway.

And re. Trump, this could play into his hand, if it affects the economy here, which seems likely.


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mumbles wrote:
lavawitch wrote:
Yay for making money in Forex.

But boo for losing money in virtually every other market.


Pesky details.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:01 am 
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What the fork, guys?! This is actually happening. Although the EU is a bit shiitake (okay, a lot shiitake at times), the prospect of giving more power to the awful croissants in charge of our government is terrifying. I really thought there was no way we were voting leave, but I suppose I shouldn't have been complacent.

I'm scared for the NHS, I'm scared about more cuts to vital services, I'm scared that yet more people will die on account of an increasingly terrible welfare system.

I feel so sick. This is really bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
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I'm scared for the NHS, I'm scared about more cuts to vital services, I'm scared that yet more people will die on account of an increasingly terrible welfare system.

I feel so sick. This is really bad.

All of this. I can't believe this has happened. I have a very, very bad feeling about this.

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jogirl wrote:
Disappearing Ink wrote:
I'm scared for the NHS, I'm scared about more cuts to vital services, I'm scared that yet more people will die on account of an increasingly terrible welfare system.

I feel so sick. This is really bad.

All of this. I can't believe this has happened. I have a very, very bad feeling about this.


Same. I'm really disappointed in my compatriots.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:44 am 
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Where's that PPK commune everyone was talking about. I don't want to stay here anymore.

I can't believe so much of our country voted to leave. It's awful. And the economy is going to go downhill. I lost 10% of money I have invested overnight. Many of my friends are working abroad as they found it hard to get a job here, they're losing money when they transfer their currency back.

I don't see this going well.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:07 am 
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Yeah, really depressing. I really, really dislike Farage and now he has been legitimised.

And all the things that the Leave campaign promised won't happen because we still need to trade with Europe, so like Switzerland we will have to pay in but have no say.

Ah well, it is what it is and we have to get on with it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:16 am 
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- The 4% (ish!) difference is practically a rounding error at this scale.
- Of course the older folks (who have enjoyed EU life) voted to leave while the young folks (excited at the promise of EU life!) voted to stay.
- Can we (we = EU) keep Scotland and NI at least? And let Wales and England sort themselves out?
- What a terrible (!) precedent for all the xenophobic, far right parties in power across the EU right now! We are stronger (awesomer) together!

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:16 am 
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Honestly, I am quite seriously debating moving to Scotland so that I am ready when they go independent and go back to the EU.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:18 am 
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Wales makes me really depressed too as they have had loads of EU development money in deprived areas.

It just makes me feel that (yet again) the most needy have been persuaded to vote against their own best interests.

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I really didn't expect that result. Very uncertain times ahead.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:45 am 
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Queen Nicola has just said Indyref 2 is on the table. Y'all need to move up here to boost the numbers for that vote. Then Scottish PPKommune.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
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i was nervous the day of the vote because polling had been so close. then my partner told me the results when i was still in bed and i just started shouting expletives. as i said on facebook, i'm not sure i want to live in a UK that isn't part of the European Union, especially as an immigrant. only Scotland can save us now, i guess - i can see a new independence vote having a much different outcome this time.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
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I'm massively disappointed at how Cameron put this in the hands of people who are not qualified to make the decision, and that the decision seems to have been made in the spirit of xenophobia and selfishness. Those who have voted to leave are short sighted and this is not going to play out like they think it will. We'll all suffer for it and the complaints will be levelled at the immigrants who have enriched the UK.

I fear a rise in hate crimes, the decline of the NHS, the introduction of TTIP and a move backwards in human rights.


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:13 am 
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There's one dude on my facebook who was very vocal about voting Leave and he's already posting "I'm not sure if I made the right decision".

Right, now you realise?

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Queen Nicola has just said Indyref 2 is on the table. Y'all need to move up here to boost the numbers for that vote. Then Scottish PPKommune.


Already looking at houses!

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to rub salt in the wound one "radical leftist" i know on facebook is prattling on about how boring it is that all her friends are in the Remain camp and maintains that the vote to leave is an example of the working class and "radical left" rising up against the establishment. forking please.

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I am so surprised - between this and Trump, what is this world really coming to?

PPKommune in Scotland with a Canadian branch sounds perfect, IMO. We can go back and forth depending on the season and political climate.

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I miss when conservatives were the rich people who worried about the stock market. Now conservatives are the racists who don't care what they do to global markets as long as they can avoid seeing dark skinned people. Why haven't the rational conservatives broken free of the crazy ones?!


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I was in a FB group and someone commented about having a place to escape after the vote. Then someone commented that the vote was good for the UK, it'd actually allow more foreigners in from all over the world... I don't understand the logic.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit?
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There's one dude on my facebook who was very vocal about voting Leave and he's already posting "I'm not sure if I made the right decision".

Right, now you realise?

I've heard this three times today. I honestly think a lot of people who voted Leave saw it as a protest/"give the government a wake-up call" vote and didn't really think it would actually happen.

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