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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:22 pm 
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The sequel will blow his mind.

Or gently bore him.

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

(But last week I learned the Korean version of this expression! 오십보백보, oshippo-paekbo, "50 steps, 100 steps." There's an old story about two guys who ran from battle; one ran 100 steps before stopping, the other ran 50 steps. The 50-step guy called out the 100-step guy for being a coward.)

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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We are working on getting our fingerspelling to flow, so our tutor gave us a list of common three-letter groups to practice and told us to also find and practice a few words with the "t-o-n" group in. For my first word I channelled PandaCookie and chose "tonne", thinking of drop shipped metric tonnes of kapop oil while practicing it.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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I guess I'm going to just start... posting here again? Because everything's still... here? Ish?

I'm now on my fourth Korean kids story. After Ubagi (about the little white weasel) and The Crow's Grandfather, there was The Walnut Newspaper. Now I'm working on ("working on") The Fortune-Teller. (Who is a turtle.) All the stories take place in the same forest, with the same two main characters. It's a lovable series soon to be remembered fondly by the world's children.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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This sounds like such a great story setting. (The Walnut Newspaper! Great title!)

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Oh, I'm awesome at titles.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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I did a big, scary thing yesterday!

So, I talk with lots of people on this HelloTalk app, right? And I have some Korean friends there (like, live-in-Korea Korean friends) and a bunch of "friends."

One of my "friends" is in Tacoma for 10 days or so on some kind of school-exchange deal with her daughter. Mrs. Face and I drove down to Tacoma to meet her and hang out for a bit. I was nervous about (my Korean is still not so great) and my friend's English isn't so great. But it was really fun! We chatted (in probably 65% English, 35% Korean) for a couple hours. And maybe she'll move from "friend" to friend!

I think my experiences with ESL tutoring and volunteering at English language learner meetups has raised my language-related anxiety threshold.

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That is very brave, FF!

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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I finished my fourth kids story in Korean. It's called "The Fortune-Teller" (점쟁이).

I think my Korean is getting worse.

And! I have a temporary Korean conversation/get-together-and-chat-in-English-and-Korean partner. I'll be seeing her on Mondays for the time-being.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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My BSL is definitely getting worse. I need to practice more. I'm glad you have a new person to chat with for a while.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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You know what's... Well, not fun, exactly... You know what's not fun? Not knowing enough of the language you've been studying (and "studying") for years.

Okay, so I've been writing these Korean children's stories for a while, right? My teacher helps me fix them up, correcting my weird grammar and making up for my impoverished vocabulary. (It is always amazing to realize how much everyone knows about their native language. Being able to write effectively is about so much more than just vocabulary and grammar.)

Anyway, I gave one of these stories to the Korean woman I'm meeting for conversation practice. I thought she'd think it was interesting. So the next week she brought it back all marked up. Like, all marked up. And I'm thinking, "Aw, man! I already went over all this with my teacher! It might not be a masterpiece, but it should be, like, sound, right?" Maybe her corrections and edits were too fussy? I wouldn't know. I don't know enough to judge them. But it was pretty discouraging.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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I did something scary today! I met with my teacher and her teacher, the woman who wrote my textbook. (The textbook I don't really use anymore.) I wasn't really sure why we were doing this, but we were doing this. My Korean instantly got way worse and my tongue instantly got thick and stupid, but it was okay. I got a chance to ask her about some tough grammar stuff I've never understood. (I still kind of don't.)

And I had her sign my textbook!

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Oh, and the fifth installment of my children's book series is underway: 버섯배, "The Mushroom Boat."

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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FootFace wrote:
One of my "friends" is in Tacoma for 10 days or so on some kind of school-exchange deal with her daughter. Mrs. Face and I drove down to Tacoma to meet her and hang out for a bit. I was nervous about (my Korean is still not so great) and my friend's English isn't so great. But it was really fun! We chatted (in probably 65% English, 35% Korean) for a couple hours. And maybe she'll move from "friend" to friend!


And today...

This friend called me today. (From Korea.) We talked for about 20 minutes (about 95% English.) It was strange.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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배울수록 더 모르겠다

The more I learn, the less I know.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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My studies are still (barely) limping along. I stopped writing my Korean children's stories. And my teacher has been too busy lately for regular lessons.

*snort*

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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My studies are still (barely) limping along. I stopped writing my Korean children's stories.


Are you taking a break from story-writing, or stopping out of frustration?

My German is terrible. I live in Germany and will for many years to come, so it's time to knuckle down with my grammar books again and start fixing these fossilized problems. -pitiful sigh-

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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I think it's more frustration-quitting than break-taking.

My Korean is worse than terrible. In writing, it's... passable-ish. In person? Yikes.

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