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 Post subject: Re: Dennis Kucinich Sues Cafeteria Over Olive Pit
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:19 pm 
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I agree that $150K sounds silly. (Of course, I don't know all any of the facts.) But I don't think the lawsuit itself is silly. Someone prepared food that hurt him.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:25 pm 
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right, it doesn't help that his office is keeping mum about the whole thing. i mean, it doesn't help ME figure out how reasonable it is. i usually think "pain and suffering" is BS, but especially so when it's coupled with "loss of enjoyment."

my mother often made me eat tuna casserole when i was a child. i think i might have a seriously lucrative case against her.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:26 pm 
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I think the $150k is mostly punitive. And yeah, olives have a warning, but pits are still unexpected. I bit an olive pit that was in some sliced olives last year. It hurt a little for two months, then a huge chunk of my molar suddenly came off. I just got the permanent crown put on my tooth this morning. It only cost me about $200 for my dental co-pay.


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i laughed because i had no pits, until i met a man who had no sandwich.

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Well, for legal reasons, don't even (most?) jars of pitted olives say "may contain pits"? Do cafeterias need to post this sign?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:03 pm 
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If it was a piece of glass, fine. But an olive pit is ridiculous. Food handlers have a hard enough time already without having to be worried about something like an olive pit. It makes me never want to cater or have a restaurant or anything ever again because as careful as you are, there is always that crasshole who stabs himself in the eye with a pineapple. Hint: next time you feel an olive pit in your mouth STOP CHEWING.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:05 pm 
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I worked at a place where we had to de-pit the olives. They came in large buckets. Job from hell.
I don't see suing over an olive pit.

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I saw the intro to this story last night on the news just before I went to bed.
"Coming up next, why this [insert picture of Dennis Kucinich here] politician takes issues with olives", or some such. I was too tired to wait through the commercial break to find out what was up, so I was left wondering what life as a vegan without olives would be like as I drifted off to sleep.
I have to say, I'm disappointed in Dennis. Anytime I eat olives I always halfway expect to find a pit. Sucks that it was there, but it's really not the cafeteria's fault.

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I've changed my mind. fork Dennis Kucinich!

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If it was a piece of glass, fine. But an olive pit is ridiculous. Food handlers have a hard enough time already without having to be worried about something like an olive pit. It makes me never want to cater or have a restaurant or anything ever again because as careful as you are, there is always that crasshole who stabs himself in the eye with a pineapple. Hint: next time you feel an olive pit in your mouth STOP CHEWING.


Seriously. What the fork. It's an olive pit, get the hell over it. They serve olives with their stones in here all the time... should I sue every forker? They certainly don't qualify it on their menus. Hello, I'm an adult. Jebus.

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I mentioned that to a roomie. He said his friend interned for Kucinich and came to hate him so much he campaigned for Hillary.

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Seriously. What the fork. It's an olive pit, get the hell over it. They serve olives with their stones in here all the time... should I sue every forker? They certainly don't qualify it on their menus. Hello, I'm an adult. Jebus.

What are you, European or something? In america we sue.

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If it was in a pre-made wrap and he bit down and it happened to be right down on an olive pit, which causes much pain and potential damage -- yes I would represent him :) And we would win.

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If it was in a pre-made wrap and he bit down and it happened to be right down on an olive pit, which causes much pain and potential damage -- yes I would represent him :) And we would win.


good. If it was a premade food item he shouldn't have to tinker with it to remove the pit. What is he supposed to do? take super small nibbles and feel his way around the wrap until he finds the olive?


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One time I bought a pack of vegetarian sausages from the mad butcher. Came home, cooked them. Bit into it. They were all filled with plastic shards, I kid you not. I think I didn't complain because I was going overseas the next day or something like that. Anyway I've never shopped there since then but I probably could have got some good compensation from them.

Maybe Dennis is starting to get a b12 deficiency.

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I was weirdly surprised that he doesn't bring lunch from home.

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I was weirdly surprised that he doesn't bring lunch from home.



He came into the veggie health food store with deli a LOT when he was working from Cleveland, so it seemed he went out often. Once he came 3 times in a day! So I don't know how much time he leaves for lunch packing.

Yeah I could see biting your tongue and hurting yourself if its all wrapped up- you really wouldn't expectg that at all. Its just the $150,000.

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Yeah I wonder where that figure came from. If it's actually the predicted costs of care for whatever injury he has, then that's perfectly fine with me. But unless he needs a new jaw, I don't get that figure.

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It looks like they've settled. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... tuent.html

And it mentions the extent of the damage
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The Ohio congressman claimed when he bit into the olive-pit-ful sandwich, a sad run of woes began. He split a tooth down to the bone, which required extensive dentist work.

Even worse – the tooth became infected, Kucinich complained, and he suffered a reaction to an antibiotic. Finally, he had an intestinal obstruction that required emergency medical attention.


Which is like...a shockingly large amount of damage after all...still don't buy $150,000 worth, though.

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Dennis sent me an email about this

Dear Friend,

Though I would prefer to focus your attention on my work dealing with the profoundly important issues that face our nation, such as job creation, getting the economy back on track, and ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq - it seems that some are more interested in discussing my personal dental issues. Given the degree of public interest you should know some details:

This injury required nearly two years, three dental surgeries, and a substantial amount of money to rectify.

The legal action you have heard about was filed due to the severity, expense and duration of the dental injury, the complications which followed and which still persist. I wanted to resolve this matter without filing a lawsuit. The events below involved numerous dental visits, more than are detailed in this summary.The dental injury set in motion a chain of dental and medical events.

When I bit into the olive pit, (unbeknown to me at the time), upon impact the tooth split in half, vertically through the crown and the tooth, below the level of the bone. Externally there was no evidence of a break. This was not about aesthetics. The internal structure of the tooth was rendered nonrestorable.Although the pain was excruciating, I shook it off and I went right back to work.

This tooth is a key tooth which anchored my upper bridgework. The injured tooth and the bone above it became infected. I took a course of antibiotics for the infection, had an adverse reaction to the antibiotics which caused me to have an intestinal obstruction and emergency medical intervention.

Later, my dentist referred me to a specialist who informed me that the damaged tooth had to be removed. A third dentist removed the tooth and I was fitted for a temporary partial. I waited for the bone to heal. An implant was placed, but it failed. Many months later still a second implant succeeded. My bridgework had to be completely reconfigured, a new partial was designed, so this injury did not affect only one tooth, but rather involved six (6) replacement teeth as well. A new crown with a new precision attachment was engineered and put in place. To clarify, no dental expenses were covered by any health plan, nor did I have dental insurance that covered the injury, which, until it was resolved, affected my ability to chew food properly.

The clamor for information about this incident requires that I provide at least this much information. I would have liked to provide such details sooner but did not want it said that I was trying the case in the media. So that is why I declined any interviews about the matter.The parties have exchanged information and after some investigation and discussion have resolved the matter for an amount all parties believe reflects the actual out-of-pocket expenses related to this incident. The terms of the settlement are confidential; however, I feel that the defendants have responded fairly and reasonably. I don't want to have to make another dental visit for a very long time, and will be making no further comment on this matter.

Thank you very much.

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Im apt to give Dennis the benefit of the doubt, plus he needs his grill fully functional so he can please that vegan goddess he's married to

its too bad the olive pit didnt crack his god awful hair piece instead

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That does sound pretty shitty and I doubt he actually got 150k for it since they settled. I'm okay with this. Carry on Dennis!

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He got the amount he spent, which was probably the plan all along


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That does sound pretty shitty and I doubt he actually got 150k for it since they settled. I'm okay with this. Carry on Dennis!

I'll start by saying, I'm sure the PPK lawyers can respond better than I can, but when I sat on a jury once for a civil case where an on-the-job injury occurred, we awarded the plaintiff over a million dollars in medical bills and pain and suffering. I learned after the case that lawyers typically take 40% of the settlement. If I would have known that, I would have voted for an even higher amount considering the extent of this man's injuries.

While initially I have gawked about this case, seeing that letter makes me think perhaps there was some warrant for it.

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That does sound pretty shitty and I doubt he actually got 150k for it since they settled. I'm okay with this. Carry on Dennis!

I'll start by saying, I'm sure the PPK lawyers can respond better than I can, but when I sat on a jury once for a civil case where an on-the-job injury occurred, we awarded the plaintiff over a million dollars in medical bills and pain and suffering. I learned after the case that lawyers typically take 40% of the settlement. If I would have known that, I would have voted for an even higher amount considering the extent of this man's injuries.

While initially I have gawked about this case, seeing that letter makes me think perhaps there was some warrant for it.


I wouldn't say lawyers typically take 40% of the settlement; it depends on the policy of the firm - not many work on a contingent fee basis. Mostly yes you find that in a plaintiff's injury case like you sat for. In most of those cases, the client can't (or just doesn't have to) pay the insane costs during the years and years the litigation can take, so the lawyer/firm puts up all the money for the whole process, then hopes they win something so they make it back. 40% is a shitload though; I know my firm's policy is less. But yes I wish jurors thought like you did :)

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