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 Post subject: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:42 pm 
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So......am I completely crazy for thinking of doing this?

Not now....but for some reason I can't stop thinking about the idea.

Thoughts? Opinions?

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:49 pm 
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Oh, and here's some links...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyatPMgY7w&feature=relmfu[/youtube]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/hea ... le1299108/

http://www.transplant.bc.ca/LADS_main.htm

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:12 am 
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A study:

http://www.transplant.bc.ca/LADS/Lunati ... 202003.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:32 am 
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Yes but the good kind of crazy!

Since you can only give one in your lifetime and there is always likely to be a need for them there is probably no rush though. A few years to think about it couldn't hurt?

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:25 pm 
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I think it's a great thing to do, BUT, I think since you have ongoing health issues that seem to require surgery on the fairly regular, you might not be the best candidate to donate. If you want to get involved, though, you could maybe volunteer with an advocacy group or the kidney foundation?

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:46 pm 
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jordanpattern wrote:
I think it's a great thing to do, BUT, I think since you have ongoing health issues that seem to require surgery on the fairly regular, you might not be the best candidate to donate. If you want to get involved, though, you could maybe volunteer with an advocacy group or the kidney foundation?


Oh I've thought of that....but my eyeball stuff doesn't really have much of an impact on my overall health. Obviously I'd have to find out more about the criteria.....I'm actually more concerned about mental health criteria..because even though I've been doing well for a long time, there's still my history.

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
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I actually thought about this a few days back. i didn't come to a conclusion, but well.. i think it's a great idea. without having any other reason than thinking it seems like a decent thing to do. i actually don't know a lot about it at all.


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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:32 pm 
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Rowan wrote:
jordanpattern wrote:
I think it's a great thing to do, BUT, I think since you have ongoing health issues that seem to require surgery on the fairly regular, you might not be the best candidate to donate. If you want to get involved, though, you could maybe volunteer with an advocacy group or the kidney foundation?


Oh I've thought of that....but my eyeball stuff doesn't really have much of an impact on my overall health. Obviously I'd have to find out more about the criteria.....I'm actually more concerned about mental health criteria..because even though I've been doing well for a long time, there's still my history.


My thoughts, which might be biased or completely wrong.....

Rowan, you're such a lovely, warm and caring person. You already show so much compassion and care towards other people and animals with the work you do and how you take care of Brie. .

I don't mean this in a selfish way, but is it really necessary to give even more of yourself to others? There is so much suffering and hurt/pain in the world; you (and me) can't change that.

In certain ways or to some extend it's good to put yourself as first and take care of yourself before trying to help out others.

I admire the things you do to help out others, it's awesome what you do, but I think that sometimes you might forget that you yourself are important too. Please, please take good care of yourself.


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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:43 pm 
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What Veg_Eric said, and also any type of internal surgery is a lot of no fun and takes a LOT out of you in terms of recovery and getting back to normal, and that is discounting the possibilities of complications including, but not limited to, anesthesia side effects.

Even just 45 minutes under anesthesia for my last back surgery had all sorts of health ramifications because I typically don't do well after anesthesia (nothing serious). In addition to losing lots of hair, I had asthma like symptoms for almost a month and a random flu-like feeling for almost 6 weeks. This has happened each time I've been under anesthesia, with worse symptoms the longer the surgery. This is not necessarily typical, but it isn't exactly uncommon either.

Any surgery is a big forking deal to your body and can have all sorts of unanticipated health ramifications.

A surprising amount of people are not designated organ donors. If you feel strongly about this issue, you could help out with an awareness campaign. When I got my motorcycle license, the lady at the DMV noticed that I was already listed as a donor and she said that only about half of the people she sees are.

ETA: I am also biased in that kidney donation scares me a little bit because my dad has serious kidney problems, and he only has one functioning kidney. If he had two functioning kidneys, he would probably be ok. If a family member or somebody that I knew needed a kidney and I could safely donate, I would, but it really isn't something to take lightly.

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
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I've thought about it too. If you meet the health criteria and feel passionate about it (after thinking it through for a long time), I think it's a wonderful thing to do. I agree with Veg_Eric that you are a very generous/giving person, but it does take that kind of person to donate! Just do make sure to look into it further.


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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 3:00 pm 
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Just to be clear, I'm not thinking of doing this in the near future.

I typically do very well under anesthesia, but I do agree that it is a thing to consider.

And I realize I'm probably coming off as a bit martyrish.....but trust me, I can be pretty selfish at times.

It just seems to me that from what I read, the risks seem to be minimal in comparison to the benefits it could provide to someone in need.

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
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The benefit to a recipient is huge, of course, but there is no such thing as minimal risk when it comes to internal surgery on your organs. My surgery was more drastic and was also laparoscopic (minimally invasive and thus less risky) but recovering from the actual surgery, the drains, the small incision points, etc was pretty crappy. Even though I was up and walking around the day after surgery, I needed a LOT of aftercare for quite a few weeks.

I'm not trying to sound gloom and doom, but I think that its too easy to discount the health risk aspect because its such a good cause. The bottom line is that it is still MAJOR surgery.

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 3:33 pm 
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I should say that I have a friend who donated a kidney (it was a directed donation to his brother, who had kidney failure). He was in his mid 20s and always very healthy, but even with him, a best-case sort of scenario, the recovery was long and hard. He was happy he had done it, of course, but it was a huge thing to have done. He was lucky that his parents were willing to basically support him during his recovery, since he was unable to work for a fairly long time, and it took a number of months for him to really feel normal again.

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 3:37 pm 
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I know someone who donated a kidney to her mom and Jordan's right. It is definitely a very long painful recovery that puts you out of work for a good while.

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 4:21 pm 
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I'm doing a directed donation to a relative in July. All the literature I've read indicates at least three weeks recovery. Luckily my job is rather sedentary, so I should not have a huge issue there.

When I underwent testing, it was a two-day series of various tests and they had me visit a specialist to address a potential issue. I also had to meet with a dietitian and a social worker. I feel like they really covered all aspects. I was also told that if I had my own kidney issues in the future, they will bump me up on the list because I was a donor.

If you're still interested down the road, I'll be happy to let you know how my experience turns out.


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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 4:27 pm 
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Thank you so much fatcat- and best of luck to you! Would you like cards/care packages/positive vibes sent? Let me know!

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
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Good luck fatcat!

I too have been thinking about it, not now, if recovery is long I really can't afford to be out that long. Maybe later in life when I have an awesome job that would let me that time.

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Thanks to both of you. Depending on where you work, there may be laws about time off. Since I work for a local govenment entity, Minnesota law requires they pay me 40 hours before using my sick or vacation, plus I have plenty of sick time. I am lucky to be in a position where I can afford this. I'm sure I am underestimating the pain or recovery, but I'm looking at it as a medically excused vacation from my stressful job - which I really need. Sitting on the couch with the kitties and watching Netflix.


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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 4:25 am 
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I listened to a programme on BBC Radio 4 this morning called The Choice, which was an interview with a woman who donated a kidney to a stranger. It was really interesting: she talked about her decision and the reactions of her friends and family. This is a link to the programme information, and you can hear it on BBC iPlayer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011j8z2#synopsis

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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
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Good luck fatcat! <3 Likewise, if you want to get random little things through the post while you're recovering wing me your address over.

I second everything eric said. Rowan, you are such a giving person and so, so lovely. I do worry you over give though, it's not generally a way of life that can be sustained long term, it can burn you out. You need to make sure this drive to always help is fuelled by the right reasons.

You really are a sweetheart but I think you've had your fair share of hardship and I'm not sure this would be the right thing to do for your life/body. I think, as others have said, you could do so much to help raise donor awareness, which would potentially bring in a lot more donations than your one little kidney (lovely as it is!). You're a great spokesperson for anything really and you are obviously a people person, they're the sort of qualities that could make you ideal for awareness campaigns.


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 Post subject: Re: non-directed kidney donation
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Okay, so I think it's super awesome of you to consider this.

I haven't read the whole thread and I don't know what your understanding is of renal physiology, but i'm gonna reply anyway: Sure the risk of the donator surgery might be minimal, but you need to consider the risk of living the rest of your life with 100% of your kidney function dependent on ONE kidney. Your kidneys do more than just filter your blood and make your pee... they're integral to your hemodynamics, your fluid volume status and electrolyte balance. And they're not forgiving organs, either... enough of an insult, and it's game over.

If you make your wishes known to your family, you can donate your kidneys and even as much as your entire body for purposes of transplant at the event of your death. You body may be harvested for transplants that would treat as many as 20 recipients.

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Okay, so I think it's super awesome of you to consider this.

I haven't read the whole thread and I don't know what your understanding is of renal physiology, but i'm gonna reply anyway: Sure the risk of the donator surgery might be minimal, but you need to consider the risk of living the rest of your life with 100% of your kidney function dependent on ONE kidney. Your kidneys do more than just filter your blood and make your pee... they're integral to your hemodynamics, your fluid volume status and electrolyte balance. And they're not forgiving organs, either... enough of an insult, and it's game over.

If you make your wishes known to your family, you can donate your kidneys and even as much as your entire body for purposes of transplant at the event of your death. You body may be harvested for transplants that would treat as many as 20 recipients.


I'm already a registered organ/tissue donor, a regular blood donor and on the bone marrow registry, but everyone does need reminding every now and then :)

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Oh and I thought I'd mention that while advocacy is awesome, what attracts me to this is the more direct nature. I feel I do a fair amount of advocacy work for a variety of causes (though I could always do more...), but this is something I can do that could directly change someones life.

Please don't worry guys- I have a busy few years coming up (getting into grad school, moving across the country, getting an awesome job, saving the world), and it's not something I'm planning on doing soon, but I wanted to discuss the possibility and what people's thoughts were. Thanks for the responses, you are all so lovely!

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I went through the testing process to do this about 18 mos ago. I really wanted to do it. I knew someone who needed one but we weren't a match so I thought I could just give one to someone else. Got up to the psych evaluation and he decided that I wasn't tough enough to do it. I was so disappointed. :(


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I went through the testing process to do this about 18 mos ago. I really wanted to do it. I knew someone who needed one but we weren't a match so I thought I could just give one to someone else. Got up to the psych evaluation and he decided that I wasn't tough enough to do it. I was so disappointed. :(


Sorry to hear, but awesome for trying!

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