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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:09 pm 
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thanks for all the congrats guys!

as for ovulation kits, I bought a 40 package from Amazon...that's pricey but I was able to use it for almost 3 months. And it definitely worked! It probably would've worked sooner but I was confused - on the days I got the positive signal we had sex, but then I realized the best bet is to wait until 24 hours after the positive signal (my poor partner doesn't perform well under pressure heehee). That's what worked for me, anyway.


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We are going to start trying as of Christmas this year. Fingers crossed. I think we'll just relax and let nature take its course for the first 6 months or so, as there is no need to get pregnant instantly. Then I might step it up a bit if nothing has happened. OPKs are a good thing, but I think we'll have some fun with it for a couple of months first. :)


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It should be a fun process, too, right? :D


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For those of you who miscarried, I'm wondering when your doctors said it was ok to try again, and how long after you conceived again (assuming you were trying to)? Did how far along you were or natural miscarriage v. d&c make a difference?

I have an appointment with my doctor in the morning, and I'd like to have an intelligent type discussion with her about it. She told us 3 months at my d&c. That seemed like a long time, and I have not been able to find any research studies to back that recommendation. I haven't found anything saying there's an increased risk of miscarriage (which is what she said), and she also said it was so they could date the pregnancy, which doesn't even make sense to me because it's not like they can't date it by U/S (even if I didn't chart, which I do). I found lit that said the odds of miscarrying twice in a row when you do not have underlying fertility problems is under 5%, so it seems to me our odds are LESS than they would otherwise be. I also found lit that found that couples who conceived under 6 months after a miscarriage had an easier time conceiving and a higher rate of live births than couples who waited more than 6 months. I know 3 is in the middle, but it didn't break it down more than that. A lot of stuff says things like if your body isn't ready to get pregnant again it just won't. We'd like to try again after I get my period back so presumably next month. It's not like the doctor can stop us, but I also don't want to do something inherently harmful.

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My doctor told me I just had to wait until after I had one normal period. I had a missed miscarriage and took a drug (misoprostol) instead of a D&C. I would have been twelve weeks by the time I actually miscarried, but the baby was only measuring nine. I was very frustrated because I was still getting positive pregnancy tests for several weeks after I had the miscarriage. But when I finally got a negative pregnancy test, I got my period two days later. The first month we tried I actually think I may have gotten pregnant and it didn't implant right, because I had some really weird bleeding at exactly the time implantation would have been. I got pregnant again the fourth cycle after the miscarriage and I'm now about 7 weeks I think.

It seems like I hear about an equal number of people who's doctors say three months vs. those who say one normal period. So I would doubt there's any significant proof that it is harmful to not wait three months, or that would be the standard. Some things I have read seem to suggest that you need that long to heal emotionally. That doesn't really seem like something a doctor should determine to me...


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This was a big story here last year. One snippet from the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-10880232.


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No personal experience, but three different friends of mine have been told they could start trying after 1 period. One doctor actually told my friend that trying right away after her D&C could increase the chances of a viable pregnancy, and that having another miscarriage right away was an old belief that research hasn't shown to be true. I'll have to ask her what exactly the doctor said, it was something about they thought it would take a few months for hormone levels to go back to normal, but actually the change in hormones make it easier to conceive ? (I'll have to ask her, because it doesn't sound scientific to me) The doctor said the old thinking was the miscarriage was due to the mother's body, when the new thinking is it's normally a fluke of the embryo not developing correctly. I agree with your thought your body having a period again and being able to conceive seems like it's saying it's ready.

It will be interesting to see how they estimate my due date once I finally get pregnant. Considering I generally ovulate around day 25-28, that whole counting from my last period wouldn't be so accurate.


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 Post subject: Re: conceivin' thread
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:23 pm 
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No personal experience, but three different friends of mine have been told they could start trying after 1 period. One doctor actually told my friend that trying right away after her D&C could increase the chances of a viable pregnancy, and that having another miscarriage right away was an old belief that research hasn't shown to be true. I'll have to ask her what exactly the doctor said, it was something about they thought it would take a few months for hormone levels to go back to normal, but actually the change in hormones make it easier to conceive ? (I'll have to ask her, because it doesn't sound scientific to me) The doctor said the old thinking was the miscarriage was due to the mother's body, when the new thinking is it's normally a fluke of the embryo not developing correctly. I agree with your thought your body having a period again and being able to conceive seems like it's saying it's ready.

It will be interesting to see how they estimate my due date once I finally get pregnant. Considering I generally ovulate around day 25-28, that whole counting from my last period wouldn't be so accurate.


I think you'd say 2 wks before you ovulate was day 1 of pregnancy.

I had my HCG levels drawn again today and the doctor should have the results tomorrow. As I understand it, hormone wise, once your HCG goes back down to under 5, your body is triggered to start the ovulation process again, so you should ovulate within 2 wks of your HCG returning to normal, and should get a period 2 weeks after that (providing you have a 28 day cycle of course). Our problem was the embryo screwed up, so it was just flukey. My body was doing a little too well.

For the first week after the d&c my temps were still up and kind of all over the place. The past 4 days they've stayed below 98, and this morning it was back to my pre-ovulatory baseline of 97.5. My temp never goes above 98 before I ovulate, and didn't drop below 98.3 pregnant, so I'm really curious to see if my hormones are back down too.

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I had a miscarriage at 13 weeks naturally. My midwife said if I am okay emotionally that I can try right away. I had one period exactly 28 days later and then concieved during that next cycle. It took us 1 1/2-2 years to get pregnant the first time. I think that once you are pregnant your body is sort of stuck in that mode and it makes it easier to get pregnant afterwards. I don't know the exact statistic but I think you have a higher chance of concieving again within 6 months of a miscarriage.


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I got a couple of ovulation tests at work super cheap -- I work for a women's mag and every month or so they sell the samples that were received and not used and donate the money to a local women's shelter. I got two packs with 20 strips each. I checked the prices at the drug store today, just out of curiousity, and damn those things are expensive.

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My HCG is down from 23,000 2wks ago to 141. Doctor still says if we try to conceive after the next period I get we have a 30% chance of miscarriage. Still can't find anything to back that...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:56 am 
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So, I want to have another baby, but I haven't had a period since I got knocked up with RayGold over two years ago! I know it's because I'm nursing and probably because I've been nursing in tandem (although BeetRoot only boobs once a day) and it's probably also because wee Raygold still nurses a few times at night.
I've been taking a pregnancy test every week (I bought a bunch on amazon for cheap) just to make sure I haven't secretly gotten pregnant. Alas, no luck. Has anybody had this problem? I got knocked up with RayGold when BeetRoot was about 14-15 months old (but I'd had periods since he was 11 months old) and was hoping to be pregnant again by now (Raygold is 16 months old).
I know I have 2 kids and a healthy breastfeeding relationship with them, but am I still allowed to complain about not being pregnant again yet? ;p

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Crabby, can you tell if you're ovulating at all?


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refinnej wrote:
Crabby, can you tell if you're ovulating at all?


No idea -- before I had kid #1, it was really easy to tell from my cervical fluid, but after I had him and once my periods returned, I didn't really leak a lot of cervical fluid until I was done ovulating (and then I leaked a craaazy amount of opaque cervical fluid).

I'm guessing that I'm not ovulating, though.

I could get a 25-pack of ovulation strips from amazon for a fiver or so, but I feel like since I don't have a period to go by, I'd end up wasting them all or something. (I'm kind of cheap, can you tell?) ;p

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Yeah, that would be tough since you wouldn't have a good idea about which day to start the testing. If you're getting serious about conceiving, maybe you could have some bloods done at the doc?


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Yeah, that would be tough since you wouldn't have a good idea about which day to start the testing. If you're getting serious about conceiving, maybe you could have some bloods done at the doc?

I might do that if our surgery didn't totally suck -- we wrote them a complaint because they got all anti-vegan on us* and they sent us this craaazy bisque-y response, so we only see them if we have to, which is pretty much just kid-related check-ups. (This is a weird out in the Scottish countryside surgery -- we even tried to switch surgeries,** but NHS Highland basically said no way, Jose.)

I'm hoping that Raygold will cut back on night-nursing once he's done teething (he's cutting 4 canines and his 4th molar). Beetroot is starting to self-wean (he only boobs once a night anyway), too. So I figure that will hopefully send some eggs down the ol' chute. ;D

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Beetroot's legs are kind of wonky and, of course, they blamed our diet. We got raked across the coals -- without ever mentioning any concerns to us, the health visitor sent us to a paediatrician and sneakily sent this letter behind our backs to him about how she thought Beetroot had calcium-deficiency and rickets from lack of cows milk, the paediatrician bitched us out and told me to stop nursing Beetroot because nursing in tandem is bad (afterward, I cried so hard, I peed my pants -- okay, I'd very recently had Raygold and was all emotional and weak-bladdered, but the guy was a dick), we were sent to a dietitian (who was really nice and said our diet was fine and that she'd rung the head lactation consultant in Glasgow who said it was probably a BAD idea to stop nursing Beetroot), the nurse at our surgery bitched out (literally shouting at) my husband because of our diet, all sorts of tests and x-rays were done, finally we were sent to this endocrinologist who specialises in rickets and he took one look at Beetroot and was all, "totally not rickets, dude." The endocrinologist guy had this genetics doctor chick and bone doctor dude check out Bert and bone doctor dude says it's totally not a big deal and he might totally grow out of it in a few years and we didn't do anything wrong and it's not even bowlegs, it's twisted shins. Somebody mentioned rickets and bone doctor dude and geneticist doctor girl and the endocrinologist guy all laughed. Phew.


** We are probably moving down to England next year, so we won't be in the nutty anti-vegan village surgery forever.

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Ooh, that's poopy about the surgery. I was nervous about telling our midwife at first because I thought I'd get the standard lecture about iron and calcium and how surely I was going to just faint dead away. She didn't even bat an eyelash though. I think maybe she's asked me a couple of questions, but nothing judgmental at all. My GP's known for ages that I was vegan, as I asked about a B12 level test once. I don't think it's come up since.

Really glad the specialist doc made it clear that your diet is fine!


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Day 36 and I'm still waiting for my temperature to go up :( I did get a positive OPK on day 28, but don't think I actually ovulated since cervical fluid has still alternated between watery and sticky. I know I should stop worrying about it and relax, but it's really annoying. Okay sorry...moving on


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Day 36 and I'm still waiting for my temperature to go up :( I did get a positive OPK on day 28, but don't think I actually ovulated since cervical fluid has still alternated between watery and sticky. I know I should stop worrying about it and relax, but it's really annoying. Okay sorry...moving on


I hear you. I just have no idea what my temps are doing since the d&c. They went down for a bit then shot back up again... this would be around when I would normally ovulate, but it seems really soon since I still had some HCG as of Monday, but I've heard of people getting pregnant 2 wks post miscarriage so it CAN happen. I just want to know what my body is doing so I can have an idea of when we can try again. I'm trying not to think about it because it's gonna do what it's gonna do, but it's hard to think about anything else. Hopefully next time you and me will both be pregnant and we can have a big honkin' ppk celebration together!

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chiveggie wrote:
Day 36 and I'm still waiting for my temperature to go up :( I did get a positive OPK on day 28, but don't think I actually ovulated since cervical fluid has still alternated between watery and sticky. I know I should stop worrying about it and relax, but it's really annoying. Okay sorry...moving on


When I was charting, my cervical fluid was not helpful in figuring out ovulation. It didn't match up with my temps. Temps were more reliable for me. If you never have eggwhite fluid, you can buy special lube called preseed. I have no idea about the veganness of it, but it is susposed to mimic eggwhite fluid.

Also, once you do conceive, the fluid goes crazy, so that could confuse someone charting.


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refinnej wrote:
Ooh, that's poopy about the surgery. I was nervous about telling our midwife at first because I thought I'd get the standard lecture about iron and calcium and how surely I was going to just faint dead away. She didn't even bat an eyelash though. I think maybe she's asked me a couple of questions, but nothing judgmental at all. My GP's known for ages that I was vegan, as I asked about a B12 level test once. I don't think it's come up since.

Really glad the specialist doc made it clear that your diet is fine!


I think articles like these: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/06/09/shock-as-vegan-diet-girl-12-diagnosed-with-rickets-86908-20600599/ make people see Beetroot's wonky legs and think 'vegan with rickets.'

The funny thing is, the Doctor (Ahmed, not the other guy) they quoted in that article is the guy we saw (who said it totally was not rickets) and he was SO NICE -- he didn't even bring up the v-word at all, any of the times we've seen him. I kind of wonder how much word-twisting they did. (I read the article before I met him and was so so terrified he was going to be a jerk, but he was really cool.)

Our old surgery in Glasgow was totally cool and supportive. And the midwives, who all have been pretty rad, have never said anything about it. Our local place never said much until they noticed Beetroot had kind of wonky legs. Before that, a health visitor kind of flipped out when I said, "Beetroot likes books so much, he eats paper!" and decided that meant he had pica and needed to eat -- get this -- corn flakes or rice crispies with fresh orange juice to raise his iron levels. She was really horrified when said I didn't approve of giving a 12 month old processed food to raise his iron. ;p

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Ugh, I have my period, two weeks early. Maybe I'm off schedule because of going off the pill?

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So I am really confused. I decided to chart temps and cervical fluid this month AND use an OPK. Well the temps have been fairly steady only rising from 97.4 to 97.6 in the last two days - the cervical fluid has all been of the sticky to creamy variety and the OPK's have been positive for the last 4 days - definitely strongly positive. I thought one or two positives were normal and that it should coincide with egg-whiteish fluids. Just so confused. Any thoughts from anyone?


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So I am really confused. I decided to chart temps and cervical fluid this month AND use an OPK. Well the temps have been fairly steady only rising from 97.4 to 97.6 in the last two days - the cervical fluid has all been of the sticky to creamy variety and the OPK's have been positive for the last 4 days - definitely strongly positive. I thought one or two positives were normal and that it should coincide with egg-whiteish fluids. Just so confused. Any thoughts from anyone?


This site seems to have some good info. Basically your body could be getting ready to ovulate, not ovulate, then get ready again. If it stays positive for a really long time, you might want to check with your doctor about PCOS which gives false positive results on OPKs.

http://www.peeonastick.com/opkfaq.html#4


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