| Register  | FAQ  | Search | Login 
It is currently Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:23 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:48 am 
Offline
Drunk Dialed Ian MacKaye
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:06 pm
Posts: 1961
Location: Windmill Central
Okay guys, I keep opening up the cookie book, the pie book, Viva Vegan, etc. and being confronted by the fact that I can't find shortening here (or at least I haven't discovered the Dutch version of it) nor chocolate chips (let alone vegan-friendly ones) nor chile peppers. I'm resigned to the fact that anything resembling Latin food will cross my path here, but am I out of luck with the shortening? My British colleagues at work said they don't use it either. Can you just sub extra margarine?

I've seen Crisco at the Asian market near my house, but I definitely don't want to use that. I don't even know if it's vegan. I miss my Spectrum tub!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:01 pm 
Offline
Level 7 Vegan
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:50 pm
Posts: 1557
Location: NJ -> Bristol UK
you could substitute margarine, but it will probably yield a softer texture, as shortening is a harder fat.

Trex is the most widely available American-style shortening in the UK - not sure if you'll find that in the Netherlands. we also have shredded suet, which is little shards of hard (usually) vegetable fat dusted with starch to keep it from sticking together. you could also keep an eye out for palm fat. hard coconut oil might also work.

_________________
vegan cheese bigamy is not allowed. - LisaPunk

So today at PPK I learned how to fork up a falafel and a taco. - craiger_ny


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:03 pm 
Offline
Dying from Nooch Lung
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:50 pm
Posts: 3287
Location: The Bene
From what I understand, Crisco is vegan. I know it's not the healthiest option, with the hydrogenation and all, but I've been considering just giving in and buying a container, since I've also never found another shortening option here in NL. I keep avoiding recipes that call for it, so I'll be watching this space. Maybe coconut oil will do?

I haven't found vegan chocolate chips either. I keep meaning to check out the Kingsalmarkt in Amstelveen to see if they have any accidentally vegan ones. Chili peppers you should be able to get at a Toko somewhere, though.

_________________
Ain't no guarantees in life, and nothing that comes out of my vagina can change that. - Erika Soyf*cker

I'd rather have a cupcake and a matte stomach. - Desdemona


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:05 pm 
Offline
Level 7 Vegan
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:50 pm
Posts: 1557
Location: NJ -> Bristol UK
and for chocolate chips, it's usually a lot more cost-effective to just chop up a bar of chocolate.

_________________
vegan cheese bigamy is not allowed. - LisaPunk

So today at PPK I learned how to fork up a falafel and a taco. - craiger_ny


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:04 pm 
Offline
Drunk Dialed Ian MacKaye
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:06 pm
Posts: 1961
Location: Windmill Central
EmperorTomatoKetchup wrote:
and for chocolate chips, it's usually a lot more cost-effective to just chop up a bar of chocolate.


That's what my bf said, haha. I just love the chips!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:05 pm 
Offline
Drunk Dialed Ian MacKaye
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:06 pm
Posts: 1961
Location: Windmill Central
lepelaar wrote:
From what I understand, Crisco is vegan. I know it's not the healthiest option, with the hydrogenation and all, but I've been considering just giving in and buying a container, since I've also never found another shortening option here in NL. I keep avoiding recipes that call for it, so I'll be watching this space. Maybe coconut oil will do?

I haven't found vegan chocolate chips either. I keep meaning to check out the Kingsalmarkt in Amstelveen to see if they have any accidentally vegan ones. Chili peppers you should be able to get at a Toko somewhere, though.


I get hot peppers at the toko, but never really yields the flavors I'm looking for. I keep experimenting with random ones I find there, though.

I should just pony up and sub something like coconut oil. I'm curious about what the Kingslamarkt is.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:14 pm 
Offline
Level 7 Vegan
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:50 pm
Posts: 1557
Location: NJ -> Bristol UK
oh, when you mention chiles, are you talking about dried or fresh? dried chiles should be fairly easy to get via mail order.

_________________
vegan cheese bigamy is not allowed. - LisaPunk

So today at PPK I learned how to fork up a falafel and a taco. - craiger_ny


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:07 pm 
Offline
Seagull of the PPK
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:46 pm
Posts: 8393
Location: Brasil
lepelaar wrote:
Maybe coconut oil will do?

Coconut oil will do just fine for anything that calls for shortening- at least I sub it out equally and use it pretty regularly, no problems. I don't like the hydrogenation issue and coconut oil is a good alternative for me. I keep it in the fridge so it's hard and I chip out the chunks I need, I don't keep it liquid (not that it would liquify where you live, but where I live it often does).

_________________
Buddha says 'Meh'.--matwinser
I'm just a drunk who likes fruit. -- Desdemona


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:21 pm 
Offline
The Real Hamburger Helper
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:43 pm
Posts: 2308
Location: Wet and Windy Wiltshire
pickledtreats wrote:
Okay guys, I keep opening up the cookie book, the pie book, Viva Vegan, etc. and being confronted by the fact that I can't find shortening here (or at least I haven't discovered the Dutch version of it) nor chocolate chips (let alone vegan-friendly ones) nor chile peppers. I'm resigned to the fact that anything resembling Latin food will cross my path here, but am I out of luck with the shortening? My British colleagues at work said they don't use it either. Can you just sub extra margarine?

I've seen Crisco at the Asian market near my house, but I definitely don't want to use that. I don't even know if it's vegan. I miss my Spectrum tub!
I use it, and so does my mum. There's a brand called Trex here (England). In larger supermarkets, you can also get "margarine for baking", although I've used normal margerine to make pastry without any problems. It generally has a fat:water ration more similar to butter than shortening, which is about 99% fat so can be subbed more reliably in lots of recipes.

_________________
Moon - "This is the best recipe in the history of recipes forever."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:24 pm 
Offline
Not NOT A Furry
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:17 am
Posts: 520
In Germany they sell those big blocks of vegetable fat, they come in 1-kilo packages and do not come in tubs but are wrapped in aluminium foil like butter. They are big, like a large brick.

They are usually somewhere near the oils and are being sold for deep-frying. Maybe they have somthing similar in the Netherlands as well? A well known German brand is Biskin:
Image

There is also "Palmin" which is pure palm fat but it is really hard.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:00 am 
Offline
Dying from Nooch Lung
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:50 pm
Posts: 3287
Location: The Bene
Lily, they do have stuff like that here. It's called margarine "voor bakken en braden". I've never found one here that's vegan, though. The closest I've stumbled across is Wajang margarine, which seems vegan, but they don't specify if their vitamin D is 2 or 3.

pickledtreats wrote:
I'm curious about what the Kingslamarkt is.


Not sure where you're located, pickledtreats, but Kingsalmarkt is a supermarket in Amstelveen that specializes in foreign (including US and UK) foods. I haven't been there yet, but keep meaning to go and check it out.

_________________
Ain't no guarantees in life, and nothing that comes out of my vagina can change that. - Erika Soyf*cker

I'd rather have a cupcake and a matte stomach. - Desdemona


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:16 am 
Offline
Inflexitarian
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:42 am
Posts: 732
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
The only vegetable shortening available here in Australia is either hydrogenated or contains a bunch of palm oil - & I'm not too happy about either of those options. If you don't mind putting in a little time & effort, you could try making this recipe for vegan butter. http://www.veganbaking.net/other-vegan- ... gan-butter I've made this several times now & have used it for cakes, pastries & cheesecake crumb bases & it works brilliantly. I can't get hold of liquid soy lecithin, so I dissolve a teaspoon of granules in a tablespoon of boiling water, & leave it overnight. It works great.

You can just use coconut oil for things like pastry, but this butter recipe produces a denser, creamier texture than just coconut oil on its own & tastes pretty good too.

_________________
Visit my blog! http://magicjelly.com.au/blog/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:39 am 
Offline
Not NOT A Furry
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:17 am
Posts: 520
Karena wrote:
The only vegetable shortening available here in Australia is either hydrogenated or contains a bunch of palm oil.


You do need saturated fat for it to be solid in room temperature. So you either use naturally saturated fats like coconut or palm or you hydrogenate the vegetable oils that are available to turn the unsaturated ones into saturated ones.

If you dislike the palm fat and the hydrogenating process, there are not many more options other than just using coconut fat.

Since shortening is just basically pure fat, any vegetable fat that is solid in room temperature should work for that.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:27 pm 
Offline
Inflexitarian
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:42 am
Posts: 732
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Lily wrote:
Karena wrote:
The only vegetable shortening available here in Australia is either hydrogenated or contains a bunch of palm oil.


You do need saturated fat for it to be solid in room temperature. So you either use naturally saturated fats like coconut or palm or you hydrogenate the vegetable oils that are available to turn the unsaturated ones into saturated ones.

If you dislike the palm fat and the hydrogenating process, there are not many more options other than just using coconut fat.

Since shortening is just basically pure fat, any vegetable fat that is solid in room temperature should work for that.



Yes, I do realise that - which is why I prefer to use the recipe I linked to & make my own using coconut oil - otherwise, I prefer to avoid shortening. There's no way I'm ever going to voluntarily use hydrogenated oil, & I avoid palm oil as much as possible unless it's from a sustainable source. I was simply suggesting another option, whether it be useful where shortening is unavailable, or if people prefer to make their own from superior ingredients.

_________________
Visit my blog! http://magicjelly.com.au/blog/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:29 am 
Offline
Built this city on rock and roll
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:58 pm
Posts: 1211
I also use coconut oil in place of shortening. It works for most pie recipes.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:18 pm 
Offline
Should Write a Goddam Book Already
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:32 pm
Posts: 1010
Location: Michigan
Mihl and torque are wise, you can sub coconut oil for shortening in baking, tamale making, and pretty much anywhere else you would use a solid fat in cooking, in my experience at least.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:13 am 
Offline
Drunk Dialed Ian MacKaye
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:06 pm
Posts: 1961
Location: Windmill Central
Awesome! I will try and find some this weekend then. Maybe I'll even make a pie.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:32 am 
Offline
Prefers Jar Jar Binks over Han Solo
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:54 am
Posts: 2145
Location: Munich, finally!
In pies I simply use more margarine instead of shortening, it has always worked fine. I must say though that I have never used shortening so I can't compare, but as the end results are fine, I don't care.

_________________
I dunno, I guess I just get enthused over eating big ol' squishy balls. - Interrobang?!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finding foods in Europe (shortening?)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:46 am 
Online
Making Threats to Punks Again
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:46 am
Posts: 1115
Location: Sweden
Anek wrote:
In pies I simply use more margarine instead of shortening, it has always worked fine. I must say though that I have never used shortening so I can't compare, but as the end results are fine, I don't care.

Me, too. And I leave it out of icings. I'm happy to read I can use coconut oil for tamales, though. One day I will brave tamale making.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 19 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], patricium and 12 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Template made by DEVPPL/ThatBigForum and fancied up by What Cheer