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 Post subject: My bunny needs good thoughts
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:17 pm 
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One of my bunnies is very sick. If you didnt see my posts about it in the "space to post things..." thread, I have been trying to get a veterinarian to see her for over a week now, but today was the earliest appointment I could get. All the other vets I tried said they "don't do rabbits". I have been doing everything I can to keep her going at home. There were a few times that I didn't think she was going to make it through the day. Now she has an appt at 5 today, and I am really really hoping the vet can do something. I haven't been able to sleep the last few nights because I've been worrying about her.

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The spotted one is the sick one. Her name is Kismet, and she's been with me since she was 5 weeks old.


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oh no! i'm sorry about your bunny! I will keep you and kismet in my thoughts. good luck at the vet!

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My thoughts are with you and Kismet. Huge hugs to both of you, and good luck!

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Bunny hugs!

Am hoping to see good news later after her appointment.

I know how frustrating it is to be unable to find a qualified vet.

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 Post subject: Re: My bunny needs good thoughts
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:48 pm 
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Thanks, everyone. I'll let you know what the vet says.
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I know how frustrating it is to be unable to find a qualified vet.

Yeah, it's terrible for any animal that's not a dog or cat! Especially if you have an emergency. For my dog, I can have my pick of any of the dozens of vet practices in the area. But there is only one good exotics vet that I know of, and he's on vacation for two weeks. I don't even know if the vet I'm seeing today is any good or not, she's just the first one who said she's knowledgeable about rabbits and had an opening available.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:09 pm 
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I really hope Kismet is going to be ok. I know how worried you've been about her.

The vet should be able to give her a course of Baytril or Bactrim (Bactrim is more effective in my experience), probably twice a day for 7 to 10 days. Perhaps they'll have some Critical Care on the shelf that you can take home, just in case. A treat of fresh grass might cheer her up and perhaps make her a little more lively :)

Sending you good thoughts xxx


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i'll be sending lots of good thoughts Kismet's way. i hope they can help her out!


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8ball wrote:
I really hope Kismet is going to be ok. I know how worried you've been about her.

The vet should be able to give her a course of Baytril or Bactrim (Bactrim is more effective in my experience), probably twice a day for 7 to 10 days. Perhaps they'll have some Critical Care on the shelf that you can take home, just in case. A treat of fresh grass might cheer her up and perhaps make her a little more lively :)

Sending you good thoughts xxx

Thank you. I tried her with some grass yesterday, but she wouldn't touch it. I went and bought some fresh herbs and spring greens, and she has been eating a little of those, so that's one good thing.

I also gave her a bath two days ago, because she was getting really dirty and poopy. I assumed she would hate it, but she liked it! She was hopping around in the tub, looking quite pleased with herself.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:47 pm 
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I'm glad you have an appointment today. Good luck.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:42 pm 
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Okay. So. We go to the vet's office and they have a huge waiting room. Children's play area, two flat screen televisions playing a Pixar movie, everything light and airy. I'm thinking, Jesus Christ, how much is this going to cost? I would much rather have a vet with a barebones office and know my money is going directly to my pet's care, and not to fancy toys. We waited for about 15 minutes, and when we got in to see the vet, she said "Oh, I didn't know I was going to see a bunny today." We specifically asked if they had a rabbit knowledgeable vet on staff, and they said yes, they had one, so we requested an appointment with her. And then the staff never told her she was seeing a rabbit?

The vet was very nice, but still no diagnosis. She was all "Let's do bloodwork" and "maybe she's in pain. I'll give you pain meds." Even though we kept saying that this all started with the sneezing, that the other bunny was sneezing first and then Kismet caught it, and even though she could see the snot on Kismet's nose, she seemed to not think this was a big deal. When she left the room, I said to my mom, "Look, I think we're going to have to really push for antibiotics." So when the vet came back, my mom said "What about the sneezing?" and I said "Yes, the sneezing is getting worse." The vet finally said "Oh, I guess we can give you some Baytril." So we ended up with baytril and pain meds, and the bloods were sent out. The bill was $218, which my mom paid with her credit card. Last week we took Kismet to Sable's vet just to get her seen. She had a B12 shot, fluids, and x-rays, and that cost $212. So in a week, this rabbit has cost over $400! And my mom paid for it all, since she knows I have to pay Sable's chiropractor tomorrow. So now I owe my mom over 400 bucks. Ugh.

So now I'm just hoping with the antibiotics twice a day, Kismet will improve. When she was weighed today she was a little over 3 lbs, and when she was weighed on Friday, she had been down to only 2 point something. I know scales can vary, but I'm really hoping that she has actually gained some weight.

Thank you for the good thoughts everyone. I will keep you updated.


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 Post subject: Re: My bunny needs good thoughts
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Oh what a frustrating experience, raspberry. I'm so sorry. I'm glad you and your mom pushed for the antibiotics, I hope they make Kismet feel better asap. Sending love and healing vibes to you guys.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:26 pm 
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I hope you hear back about the blood work soon and get a diagnosis.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:53 pm 
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Oh dear. Can you call a house rabbit rescue group and find out where they go?

I know that our vet sees people who drive HOURS to being rabbits, ferrets, reptiles, parrots, etc.

When our tiel was egg bound, my mom rushed her to the emergency vet and all they could do was tell her to go elsewhere, but that ended up costing a fortune.

I really feel that if a vet can't do more than stabilize and refer an animal that they should charge a drastically reduced rate.

I hope the meds help her. More bunny hugs.

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 Post subject: Re: My bunny needs good thoughts
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:20 pm 
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I don't know if I can go to another vet. It's an issue of money and of getting there. I did check the vet listing on the local house rabbit society, but most of the vets were hours away, and I don't drive. The one vet they listed in the area is a vet that I know is mentally/emotionally unstable, so I'd really rather not go there! I'm really really really hoping the meds will work and we won't have to go anyplace else.

We had a similar issue with a bird (either a swan or a goose, can't remember), who had been attacked by a dog. We took him to the big expensive emergency vet in Boston, and they decided they couldn't help him... AFTER they had kept him overnight and run up $500 in hospitalization bills. We ended up calling the wildlife rehab place, which was in the midst of moving into a new building. They weren't even open yet, but they had their vet come in and fix the bird up. I have had so many bad experiences with emergency vets, both with my own and with shelter animals.


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Here are the bunnies at the vet today. They don't like to be separated, so we took both. My mom thought they were cute, so she started taking pictures.
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 Post subject: Re: My bunny needs good thoughts
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Oh, I am so sorry. The whole thing sounds unpleasant, and I really do hope that the bloodwork yields some useful information and you get a diagnosis and a pair of very healthy bunnies again soon.

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I hope Kismet is feeling better soon.


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Poor bunny, I hope the antibiotics help and the bloodwork results come back with something that will tell the doc what is wrong. I had no idea it was so difficult to find a qualified vet to treat rabbits. I'd like to get a house rabbit someday and will keep this in mind.

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Your bunnies are too cute! I pray it's nothing serious. Hugs to you and the furry ones. :)


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Aww it sounds so sweet that she was having fun in the bath :)

I'm glad they've given her antibiotics and painkillers for the time being at least - they're my go-tos with the guinea pigs as soon as they start getting a bit off-colour. If the bloodwork doesn't yield any conclusive results but she hasn't changed much on the Baytril, see if you can get some Bactrim and possibly some bunny-tummy-friendly probiotics. Antibiotics can mess up their intestinal flora sometimes.


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 Post subject: Re: My bunny needs good thoughts
PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:42 pm 
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Poor bunny, I hope the antibiotics help and the bloodwork results come back with something that will tell the doc what is wrong. I had no idea it was so difficult to find a qualified vet to treat rabbits. I'd like to get a house rabbit someday and will keep this in mind.

Yeah, it's tough. They are very different from dogs and cats, so you have to find a vet that 100% knows what they are talking about, preferably someone who specialises in small animals like rabbits. They're just so sensitive. Many antibiotics and anaesthesia meds that you could safely give to a dog or cat will kill a bunny. Normally we have a great vet, but I guess I never thought to have a backup in case he went on vacation. Lesson learned!


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Aww it sounds so sweet that she was having fun in the bath :)

I was very surprised about that! I had to give my other bunny a bath once, and you would have thought I was trying to murder her. So I was braced for a fight, but she was just like "Oh, this is nice". Even when I was shampooing and rinsing her, she seemed perfectly happy. And she has been angry and fighting me about the medication, so I know it wasn't just her being docile because she's ill.

I did find a powdered feed called "Critter Be Better Probiotic Feed". It's made with timothy meal and has a lot of probiotics in it. You mix it with water and syringe feed, like the Critical Care (which I was never able to find). Its says it helps digestion and increases appetite in sick animals. Hopefully she'll take it well, and there won't be much of a struggle.


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The vet just called and said the bloodwork showed a high white blood cell count consistent with infection. She seemed suprised. I want to say "Really? Like maybe an upper respiratory infection?" Jeez. She wants us to bring Kismet back in if she doesn't improve in the next 2 days so she can look at her teeth again and do x-rays... even though she thoroughly looked at her teeth the first time with a scope and said they look okay, and we already had x-rays... sigh. I don't think I'll go back there though. The exotics vet is open on Thursday and I would much rather go there if my bunny doesn't improve.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:22 pm 
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Hmmm.

The best thing you could probably do is wait for Thursday and see the exotics vet. Kismet probably won't have shown a massive improvement in the space of 2 days and that's no good reason to perform x-rays and do more dental checks. URIs don't necessarily go hand-in-hand with malocclusion.

Out of curiosity, do vets in your area not train in rodentology as a matter of course? Are most rodents considered exotics?


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Vets get very little training with small animals like rabbits, rodents, reptiles, birds etc. I asked my friend, who is a vet student now doing her externship, and she says she was taught very little about bunnies, and most of what she was taught was just "they die very easily and many treatments can kill them". She says that's why so many vets are afraid to even see rabbits. When I had Kismet seen by my dog's vet, they had a vet student working there and she went and got her vet school notes to look up info on rabbits, and there was only a paragraph or two. My friend has worked mostly with dogs and cats and also with large farm animals such as cows. Which seems odd, because there seem to be a lot more rabbits, guinea pigs, birds, etc. around than there are cows! I would think specialising in exotics would be more profitable, because there is definitely a market for it.


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