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 Post subject: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:32 pm 
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That's what it looks, right? I am so devastated. They're in at least 3 plants. Anyway to save the others? I read that I might be able to save the afflicted ones by removing the borers and wrapping the vines. SO BUMMED!

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 Post subject: Re: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:54 pm 
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Yeah, I think if you wrap them at the bases you can prevent them getting to more. I think you can also plant then through a TP roll thingy, but I think that's more of a prophylactic?

Ugh, I had them get most of my squashes, the one time I had a garden.

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 Post subject: Re: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:30 pm 
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They were unsavable. I'm so sad!!!! RIP delicatas. Prob too late to plant more seeds in zone 5 huh?

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I'm a firm believer in, "It's almost never too late to plant more." The worst that will happen if you plant some more now is that you're out of some money/seeds and the best thing that can happen is that you'll have a new, healthy plant! An animal ate our garden twice and I still keep planting things.

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 Post subject: Re: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:17 am 
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OK I am going to try. Or maybe there are some starters at the farmer's market? Kind of doubt that, but I'll check next weekend. How do I keep those things out organically? I'll google. SIGH.

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This is kind of helpful, but I'm still not sure how to prevent them!
http://www.bhg.com/gardening/pests/inse ... ur-garden/

Is carbaryl evil? I'll google more.

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OK it sounds like these vine borers die off in August. So if I plant now and they grow, they should be safe? Does that sound right? It seems that carbaryl is indeed evil. SIIIIGH.

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But on the other hand, delicatas take about 90 days, so will they make it to Oct 15th without frost? THE DRAMA UNFOLDS.

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You can replant them, and then cover them in the fall to protect them from frost!
For example: http://lancaster.unl.edu/hort/articles/ ... rost.shtml

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 Post subject: Re: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
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It might make the cut if protected and if you get starts that will be hard to find this year. Maybe get a mini plastic greenhouse thingy?

Make a hoop house?
http://doorgarden.com/10/50-dollar-hoop ... reen-house

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 Post subject: Re: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
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I think a second planting with some sort of prophylactic is worth a try. I've used plastic cups (cut the bottom off, cut up the side, make a collar around the stem that goes down a couple inches into the soil) before.

I found this: http://www.extension.umn.edu/distributi ... M1209.html
"A second planting of summer squash made in early July will mature after adult borers have finished laying eggs. "
That site has some other cool info; apparently, vine borers like yellow? Kill them with yellow!

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 Post subject: Re: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
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If you're willing to use insecticides, BT will kill these guys, and it's organic and safe for noninsect animals. In theory, you should be able to stop them by injecting it into the stems, though I haven't had much luck with that myself. I lost all my zucchinis this year, but was able to keep them alive long enough to get a few squash. I never thought of putting something around the base. I'll definitely try that next time.


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mollyjade wrote:
If you're willing to use insecticides, BT will kill these guys, and it's organic and safe for noninsect animals. In theory, you should be able to stop them by injecting it into the stems, though I haven't had much luck with that myself. I lost all my zucchinis this year, but was able to keep them alive long enough to get a few squash. I never thought of putting something around the base. I'll definitely try that next time.


Are vine borers caterpillars? I think BT only works for those guys. It's also used in organic agriculture, so it's pretty safe, if you have bones.

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kittee wrote:
mollyjade wrote:
If you're willing to use insecticides, BT will kill these guys, and it's organic and safe for noninsect animals. In theory, you should be able to stop them by injecting it into the stems, though I haven't had much luck with that myself. I lost all my zucchinis this year, but was able to keep them alive long enough to get a few squash. I never thought of putting something around the base. I'll definitely try that next time.


Are vine borers caterpillars? I think BT only works for those guys. It's also used in organic agriculture, so it's pretty safe, if you have bones.

They turn into moths, so yes? Right? I'm weak on classification, but this is what all my natural gardening books suggested.


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 Post subject: Re: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
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I keep misreading the subject here as "Vine boners in my winter squash."

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mollyjade wrote:
kittee wrote:
mollyjade wrote:
If you're willing to use insecticides, BT will kill these guys, and it's organic and safe for noninsect animals. In theory, you should be able to stop them by injecting it into the stems, though I haven't had much luck with that myself. I lost all my zucchinis this year, but was able to keep them alive long enough to get a few squash. I never thought of putting something around the base. I'll definitely try that next time.


Are vine borers caterpillars? I think BT only works for those guys. It's also used in organic agriculture, so it's pretty safe, if you have bones.

They turn into moths, so yes? Right? I'm weak on classification, but this is what all my natural gardening books suggested.


If they turn into moths, then yes!

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 Post subject: Re: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
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solipsistnation wrote:
I keep misreading the subject here as "Vine boners in my winter squash."

I actually opened the thread for the exact same reason. You know you're on the PPK when somehow boners and squash belong in the same sentence.

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I would be so irritated if someone boned my squash vines.

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 Post subject: Re: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
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I would think that would be painful- they're pretty prickly...


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 Post subject: Re: Heartbreak! Vine borers in my winter squash
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I wish I'd seen this thread sooner. I had to skip the garden this year. Like the previous link says if you slice the vine slowly vertically(only one one side) near where you see the sawdust like substance coming from the vine (worm poop) and remove the worm (how you deal with the worm is up to you but it must be evicted from the garden) and bury the vine they normally keep growing. I take the additional step of also sprinkling rooting compound on the vine then I bury it shallowly and keep it watered but not excessively. No insectisides needed. The worm is usually close to the hole.

To prevent them you have patrol your vines leaves and stems very regularly for eggs on the leaves and remove them and also keep an eye on the vines near the base of the plant. Lift the vines gently look under them they can be sneaky. When the growing season is done remove all vines to help prevent reinfestation. I'd suggest not composting them. I normally switch to another type of vine like melon or cucumbers in a spot where the borers have been (rotation) which they don't have an interest in and find another sunny spot to plant them in if I still want them the following year. I've done containers before but they are not as productive.

I am not sure if you will have enough time to regrow them. Making a partial hotbed with a raised frame (many people use old doors or windows) could be useful not just for the squash but for growing other things. The manure is is supposed to keep the soil warm enough with the cover to extend the growing season. With help (and the time) and a tiller for a small area it could be a weekend project.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5650580_make-ho ... lants.html

I've been wanting to do this I have not tried it but have had a relative that successfully did this. He mostly grew greens, lettuce and spinach in the hotbed.

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