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 Post subject: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:34 pm 
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I just got this email after I asked about an eye cream, and thought other people might find it useful
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Dear Jessi,

Thank you for your interest in Dermalogica. Please view the following list if you have any concerns regarding ingredients.

You will want to avoid the following products for vegans:
Contains Chitin derivative:
• Antioxidant Hydramist
• Dynamic Skin Recovery
• Extra Rich FaceBlock
• Extreme C
• MAP 15
• Power Rich
• Super Rich Repair

Contains Honey:
• Gentle Soothing Booster
• Intensive Moisture Masque

Contains Silk Amino Acids:
• Active Moist
• Skin Smoothing Cream
• Soothing Eye Make-Up Remover

Contains Salmon DNA (We do not come into contact with the fish, we actually just extract this from the water)
• Daily Defense Block
• Extra Rich Repair
• MulitiVitamin Body Block
• Oil Free Matte Block
• Pure Light
• Super Sensitive Face Block

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:35 pm 
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D'oh! I typoed in the thread title. If someone can fix that so I feel less stupid that would be peachy.

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:43 pm 
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Huh. That salmon DNA bit is interesting.

I'm actually not even sure if that is vegan or not. Is this an actual, real grey area? Not that I want to slather salmon DNA on my face...

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:50 pm 
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It sounded to me like something I personally wouldn't worry about if it is truly just coming from the water, but I thought it was extra cool they included that in the email so people could be informed.

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:55 pm 
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Yes, definitely. They know their ingredients! If only we could say the same for most companies.

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:04 pm 
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I agree that their customer service sounds great! This is really useful information.

Salmon DNA, though, is weird. Ethically, I'm not sure care that much, but I've never heard of salmon DNA in skincare products. And I think the chitin could be changed to plant-derived pretty easily.


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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:15 pm 
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I would assume that the salmon DNA is being extracted from water in a salmon farm though, right? I doubt it would be from the wild. If it came from a salmon farm then I wouldn't consider it vegan, personally, but yeah that is really weird.

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:46 pm 
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fish dna creeps me out...i am freaked out by fish!

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
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I could live without the fear that my skin products will come to life and learn to open doors.

Actually, since they get it from the water and probably from a fish farm, are they extracting the DNA from eggs and sperm?

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Fish poop and scales?

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:54 am 
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So, it's not tested on animals? I loved that stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
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Shy Mox wrote:

Actually, since they get it from the water and probably from a fish farm, are they extracting the DNA from eggs and sperm?

yeah, "from the water" sounds suspiciously vague. Is it a homeopathic essence of fish DNA? heh

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:49 pm 
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Sra. Nooch wrote:
So, it's not tested on animals? I loved that stuff.


Yup, they're on the Leaping Bunny list and the Peta list.

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:36 pm 
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Um, Salmon reproduce by releasing sperm directly in the water.

Which makes me wonder is salmon DNA is code for salmon sperm.


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I was thinking that salmon dna was code for salmon sperm as well, so it's nice to know I'm not just a pervert, that there's a scientific basis to my assumption.

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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
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I'm going to email them and ask. Honestly curious.


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 Post subject: Re: Current list from Dermalogica detailing whar isn't vegan
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:39 pm 
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I was recently watching a nature show on Dutch television where biologists were doing research on this rare and hard to find fish in the rivers here, and were taking samples of the water to find DNA of the fish as proof that it was present in the waters. I think it was explained that they could do this because it was somehow secreted from the skin of the fish (fish slime?). If they could do this for a rare fish in river water, it certainly seems it would be easy in a farmed environment where mass quantities of one species are confined.

I would suspect they don't mean sperm, as I think sperm is hand collected (milked) on salmon farms.

This is all just speculation, of course. I'm curious what explanation they'll give.

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