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 Post subject: Semen may prevent morning sickness
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:31 am 
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In case you'd like to try something other than ginger to quell your morning nausea...

http://kids.baristanet.com/2012/07/forg ... -sickness/

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Gallup is the SUNY-Albany psychologist responsible for the finding. The article says, according to Gallup:
The more exposure a woman has to her partner’s semen—that is to say, the more often she’s inseminated prior to conception and during the early stages of the pregnancy—the more tolerance her body develops to his genetic material. This tolerance generalizes to a tolerance for the fetus and leads to successful maternal immunosuppression—and subsequently allows her to feel less like an infected zombie with serious stomach troubles.

So basically, the theory says semen may prevent morning sickness because, while pregnant, your body is growing a being that has introduced foreign DNA (the father), it may attack it, hence the morning sickness. But if you have the father’s semen in your body often, you are sort of desensitized. It’s sort of like the food allergy idea of oral-desensitization.


Though it doesn't make much sense to me to try and desensitize oneself while in the midddle of an allergy attack... Wouldn't that be like taking nuts while in the throes of a nut allergy?

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1. Go SUNY Albany!

2. So I should be ready for a throwing up partner. (when it happens, we are starting trying this cycle)


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This!

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So I should be ready for a throwing up partner. (when it happens, we are starting trying this cycle)


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! So happy for you!

And you can do what Brett did, just bring her breakfast in bed every morning. That helped me a lot. Mmmmm. toast.

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This dude has a history of fake bs "evolutionary psychology" type "studies." He didn't actually have any evidence for this, the science points to the opposite conclusion: women who are having second children with a diff partner are less likely to have morning sickness than women who are having second children with the same partner, that is, the ones who should be desensitized are not. This is the same guy who brought you "PIV sex without protection cures depression." Will post link when I'm on a computer.


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Scientific fact: avoiding semen prevents morning sickness.

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Ariann wrote:
"PIV sex without protection cures depression."

Wait, this makes perfect sense. What are you talking about.

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Ariann wrote:
This dude has a history of fake bs "evolutionary psychology" type "studies." He didn't actually have any evidence for this, the science points to the opposite conclusion: women who are having second children with a diff partner are less likely to have morning sickness than women who are having second children with the same partner, that is, the ones who should be desensitized are not. This is the same guy who brought you "PIV sex without protection cures depression." Will post link when I'm on a computer.


I hope you can find the links, because this study sounds like b.s and male wishful thinking. Did they compare the rate of morning sickness in pregnant women with male partners to those with no partner or a female partner?

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Thanks for the info Ariann! Here is the Slate article that the baristanet one is based off.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... ingle.html

I'll stick with toast and coffee in bed (despite my subnick).

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The slate article makes me want to punch someone. As an aside, this is my problem with faky evolutionary science (I say faky bc I have an evolutionary biologist in the family who has made it clear that respectable science doesn't ever make claims like this). Morning sickness does not have to be either a positive adaptation OR a "side effect" of some other adaptation. It could easily be a random mutation that is associated with a beneficial mutation (associated meaning on the same chromosome so it gets passed down with the other). As long as it doesn't keep most women from reproducing healthy children and raising them, there is no reason it wouldn't be passed down. That is, even if it's unpleasant, it is a totally neutral mutation. It doesn't require much more explanation than that, frankly. The question should not be "why do humans do x, y, or z" but "is there any reason we WOULDN'T?"


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LADIES, STOP COMPLAINING! YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL FOR ANY EXCUSE TO HAVE MORE SEMEN IN YOU!

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Mars, you are the best.

Addendum to my last post: morning sickness may even be a negative mutation, but as long as it's not THAT negative (which it's not for the vast majority of women - they go on to have perfectly healthy children and are healthy enough themselves to raise them), if it's connected with a beneficial enough mutation, it again has no reason of not being passed down. There are even negative mutations which get passed down not because of association with positive mutations, but just because of genetic drift. It is a fallacy to say that because it exists in a species today, it is a beneficial adaptation. That is just not how evolution works.

And also, Gallup is strictly an "evolutionary psychology" dude these days, which means the likelihood is that everything he says should be taken as "making excuses for the patriarchy."

And some linkage:
http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2012/08/1 ... sychology/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 765.x/full


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Of course, actual science by actual scientists actually HAS discovered that semen helps guard against pre-eclampsia.

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Of course, actual science by actual scientists actually HAS discovered that semen helps guard against pre-eclampsia.


Link?

Looked it up myself and based on the methodology I'm unconvinced that regular old relationship stress is not a factor here and that doesn't seem to have been controlled for at all. There seems to be as much evidence that a longer relationship with the father and an easier time getting pregnant (using donor sperm increases risk) reduces risk as "seminal priming" does. The methodology here is actually about as unconvincing as Gallup's stuff - asking people to recall experiences and accurately report them in interviews and on questionnaires does not make for Grade A science, it makes for a good stepping stone to know if it's reasonable to do some Grade A science on a particular issue.


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That's right. IT'S SCIENCE TIME.

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I should be ready for a throwing up partner

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY!

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Ariann wrote:
solipsistnation wrote:
Of course, actual science by actual scientists actually HAS discovered that semen helps guard against pre-eclampsia.


Link?

Looked it up myself and based on the methodology I'm unconvinced that regular old relationship stress is not a factor here and that doesn't seem to have been controlled for at all. There seems to be as much evidence that a longer relationship with the father and an easier time getting pregnant (using donor sperm increases risk) reduces risk as "seminal priming" does. The methodology here is actually about as unconvincing as Gallup's stuff - asking people to recall experiences and accurately report them in interviews and on questionnaires does not make for Grade A science, it makes for a good stepping stone to know if it's reasonable to do some Grade A science on a particular issue.

For others: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21813635 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19875178

I agree.

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So I should be ready for a throwing up partner. (when it happens, we are starting trying this cycle)


omg. omg. omg. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! <3

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Get back on topic, people! We're talking about SEMEN here.


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Your news deserves its own thread! Its so exciting!

Eeeeeee! More PPKBabies!

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ariann, i am loving you SO HARD right now.

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Friday wrote:
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2. So I should be ready for a throwing up partner. (when it happens, we are starting trying this cycle)


!!!!!!! i am so so excited for you guys!


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cause pregnant women with morning sickness are totally up for that.

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appifanie wrote:
cause pregnant women with morning sickness are totally up for that.


You don't have to do it DURING (which frankly, I wouldn't want anyway), just sometime around. So when the dude wakes his preggers lady up at 3 in the morning and offers his parts, that is a kindness and should be viewed and accepted as such.

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