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 Post subject: What Romney allegedly thinks of Obama supporters
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I've only read the text of the article and haven't watched the videos yet but holy moly! If this is truly what Romney said, I'm astonished that he thinks 47% of voters pay no income tax, are dependent on government assistance, and dismisses them as not being worthy of consideration.

It's also mind boggling that someone who was born into privilege and wealth thinks he is a self-made millionaire, but I should not be surprised at this. Even if he did not inherit any money from his father, he had so many advantages including education and connections he probably would not have been able to get without his father's influence.


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Oh Romney.

I wish he'd have his people stop calling my house as well and I don't want his bumper sticker.

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I just saw the video and I was actually offended. He thinks he's the forking king of everything and we are but peasants under him. fork you, Romney. My food stamps using asparagus will take its vote elsewhere.


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The scary thing is, I think a lot of people believe the same thing. It makes me sad. I'm tired of being sad. Cheer me up, world.


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The scary thing is, I think a lot of people believe the same thing. It makes me sad. I'm tired of being sad. Cheer me up, world.


well some people may think (wrongly) that those who receive government assistance don't pay taxes, but Romney saying it's 47% of voters is just insane. To me this is yet another example of how out of touch Romney is with the majority of Americans.

It will be interesting to see what kind of effect this has on independent and undecided voters, and even Republicans who may not like Romney's message.


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[M]y job is is not to worry about those people.


He thinks he shouldn't worry about nearly half the population of the country he wants to lead?

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[M]y job is is not to worry about those people.


He thinks he shouldn't worry about nearly half the population of the country he wants to lead?


He was talking about worrying about getting their vote. I don't think he should worry about getting the votes of people who are already going to vote for Obama, so in that respect, I agree. But I think what he meant by the overall message is yeah, he doesn't care about people.


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kimba wrote:
The scary thing is, I think a lot of people believe the same thing. It makes me sad. I'm tired of being sad. Cheer me up, world.


well some people may think (wrongly) that those who receive government assistance don't pay taxes, but Romney saying it's 47% of voters is just insane. To me this is yet another example of how out of touch Romney is with the majority of Americans.


Well, the figure about 47% of Americans paying no federal income tax is roughly accurate, but most of those people are retired or college students or unemployed or are employed but just have income so low that they end up not having to pay income tax.


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kimba wrote:
The scary thing is, I think a lot of people believe the same thing. It makes me sad. I'm tired of being sad. Cheer me up, world.


well some people may think (wrongly) that those who receive government assistance don't pay taxes, but Romney saying it's 47% of voters is just insane. To me this is yet another example of how out of touch Romney is with the majority of Americans.


Well, the figure about 47% of Americans paying no federal income tax is roughly accurate, but most of those people are retired or college students or unemployed or are employed but just have income so low that they end up not having to pay income tax.

exactly - there were several years in which my income was below the taxable threshold, but i wasn't receiving any formal government assistance (food stamps, unemployment, etc). to equate the two is just illogical.

and insulting the electorate aside, how does it even make any sense for him to say something like this? if these 47% of Americans really will all a) make the effort to vote, and b) for Obama, there's no way in hell he can afford to be acting this cocky. he absolutely does not have the 53-percenter "taxpayer" vote in the bag. what an arrogant prick.

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Maybe he doesn't realize the poll tax is illegal now.


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I know taxes are taken out of my check but whenever I file taxes I get a tax return. Does that mean I'm part of the group that doesn't pay taxes?

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I know taxes are taken out of my check but whenever I file taxes I get a tax return. Does that mean I'm part of the group that doesn't pay taxes?


Not necessarily. It'd only be true if you got your entire tax paid back.

I pay a lot of taxes, a lot of taxes... did I mention, a lot of taxes? My vote is equal to someone who doesn't make enough to pay taxes. And my vote isn't going to Romney.

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The thing is that that statement is a direct reflection of the way that the right wing of the GOP feel, and a rare moment of consistency for R.Money. Remember Bachman saying that all Americans should at least pay something and that key to solving our deficit problem was collecting some money (say $100) from everyone, rather than collecting more from the 1% that control most of the wealth.

I wish I could find the Jon Stewart clip on that.

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linanil wrote:
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I know taxes are taken out of my check but whenever I file taxes I get a tax return. Does that mean I'm part of the group that doesn't pay taxes?


Not necessarily. It'd only be true if you got your entire tax paid back.

I pay a lot of taxes, a lot of taxes... did I mention, a lot of taxes? My vote is equal to someone who doesn't make enough to pay taxes. And my vote isn't going to Romney.

He said (federal) income tax, not all taxes. So yes, you are probably part of the group that doesn't pay income tax, not including state taxes and payroll taxes.

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I know taxes are taken out of my check but whenever I file taxes I get a tax return. Does that mean I'm part of the group that doesn't pay taxes?


Not necessarily. It'd only be true if you got your entire tax paid back.

I pay a lot of taxes, a lot of taxes... did I mention, a lot of taxes? My vote is equal to someone who doesn't make enough to pay taxes. And my vote isn't going to Romney.

He said (federal) income tax, not all taxes. So yes, you are probably part of the group that doesn't pay income tax, not including state taxes and payroll taxes.


Well I meant if she gets her entire federal taxes back but i thiml most people get a money back after filing their federal taxes unless you plan it otherwise.

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Yes, most employers over-withhold to avoid having people stuck with a big bill come tax time, and because they just take into account the deduction for your family members/marital status not property ownership etc. Even when I made over $250,000, I used to get refunds of over-paid taxes.

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i suppose i give him credit for not trying to take it back or dress it up now that he's been called out; from what i'm hearing, all he's conceded is that the comments were "not elegantly stated." i mean, that credit is, like, 8 extra points on his douchebag score, but still.

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i suppose i give him credit for not trying to take it back or dress it up now that he's been called out; from what i'm hearing, all he's conceded is that the comments were "not elegantly stated." i mean, that credit is, like, 8 extra points on his douchebag score, but still.


He isn't taking it back, because its in line with the right wing of the GOP, which is the group he appealed to in picking Paul Ryan. Its part of his strategy to mobilize their base. I guess the idea is that if you can convince the white, middle class swing voters that the rest of America is going to vote for Obama and he is going to take your taxes and give it to lazy layabouts on welfare, they are more likely to show up to vote even if they don't particularly like Romney.

As far as I am concerned he loses even more points for demonizing people on welfare and for carrying on the GOP tradition of being completely divorced from reality. So -eleventybillion for you R.Monee

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Well I meant if she gets her entire federal taxes back but i thiml most people get a money back after filing their federal taxes unless you plan it otherwise.

I don't know, I'm not Paul Krugman. YET.

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Well, the figure about 47% of Americans paying no federal income tax is roughly accurate, but most of those people are retired or college students or unemployed or are employed but just have income so low that they end up not having to pay income tax.

And they tend to be paying sales tax on almost all of their income. Edit: also, they pay payroll taxes on 100% of their income.

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Nice Pie Fee!

So is he dissing the Elderly? That is just not cool. (those lazy layabouts)

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My MIL is elderly and her vote is not going to Obama this election.

We managed to get her to vote for him last election, because Sarah Palin was crazy, but she is now rabidly anti-Obama for reasons that I don't listen to because they are embedded in a screed of racist bargle.

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Tell her that Romney thinks she should get a job and she is a lazy layabout?

Romney as a candidate is like a nightmare. It isn't real but then it is? Will it continue, if he actually wins... that would be scary.

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