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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:12 pm 
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I don't know that I'm sold on the honey helping allergies thing. You would really have to eat local, fresh, natural untouched honey that was just harvested. Picking up a bottle off the shelf in the store isn't going to do anything. And you would have to consume it daily for a long while before possibly seeing results. I say meh, I've suffered from allergies my whole life and I'm allergic to everything outdoors related as well as dust and pet dander. I've learned to live with it and yes sometimes I have bad attacks and it sucks. But without proof that the honey will really help me I'd rather not start consuming it again. I also have three cats and my house is never dust free so I'm obviously ok with torturing myself!


i wish the honey helping allergy thing was true, or perhaps it is, but on a case by case, individual basis. the honey in the grocery store will not help since it is processed honey and all pollen and other stuff has been boiled and filtered out. raw honey is the way to go, but you need to consume a decent amount daily. i do have access to raw, literally local honey, and while i haven't had any lately, when i was having it fairly regularly/daily in the spring (before i went vegetarian later vegan) i didn't really notice anything. however, the guy that i used to buy it from, i suppose has been eating local raw honey (from his backyard!) for years and he says he has noticable a big improvement in his own allergy symtpoms

but agreed, i have severe seasonal allergies and a dog that i recently found out i'm allergic to (which explains some of the symptoms that developed after i adopted him! but he's a keeper forever and ever!) and our house isn't dust free or doghair-tumbleweed free either ;) it stinks sometimes but i just cope the best i can because, honestly, the idea of allergy shots are a bit scary to me.

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Bees scare the crepe out of me. I don't use honey because it would keep them in a job.


ALL RIGHT! Solidarity, my sibling in bee discrimination!


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Is honey a usual ingredient in a lot of bread in the US? It's not here in Aus. It's funny, I've heard from quite a few people who've been to the US that the bread is in most cases a lot sweeter than our bread, so perhaps that's why? The culprits for our bread often not being vegan are milk powder, & emulsifiers & enzymes from questionable sources, not honey though.

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Is honey a usual ingredient in a lot of bread in the US?


Sadly, it is pretty common in packaged multigrain breads. As is whey. Bread purchases require a careful read of the fine print.

As for fresh made baguettes and such, no, those are safe.


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"honey whole wheat" is a very common type of bread. most of the bread companies have that variety in their repertoire.

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Karena wrote:
Is honey a usual ingredient in a lot of bread in the US? It's not here in Aus. It's funny, I've heard from quite a few people who've been to the US that the bread is in most cases a lot sweeter than our bread, so perhaps that's why? The culprits for our bread often not being vegan are milk powder, & emulsifiers & enzymes from questionable sources, not honey though.

Honey is big in a lot of local breads places I've found. If people are going for the 'natural foods' angle honey sounds better than sugar and there isn't usually much in the bread anyway it's just to help the yeast along. A lot of people would look at the ingredients and think it is a natural sweetener whereas sugar is the devil's work.

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honeyopathy

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 Post subject: Re: Honey?
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I'm usually broke so I have to make compromises when it comes to honey, particularly how common it is in bread products. There was a blessed time when my supermarket stocked 3 varieties of vegan whole wheat bread - now there are none, so my choices are a) otherwise vegan bread with honey, b) vegan bread that costs x3 more somewhere else, c) affordable vegan bread with a drive. Practicality demands honey bread - and same goes for graham crackers, of which the honey-free varieties are at least $5 a box (versus honey graham's $1.50).

I also find agave nectar gross. It's too "high sweet" and tastes nasty in tea. Nothing I've tried is as good as honey in tea. :(

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when we were little, my dad used to bring home hunks of honeycomb sometimes and hand us pieces of it, and we'd be like, "dad, we don't want it," and he'd be like, "no, it's so good, you want it, just eat it," and we'd be like, "but can we just lick off the honey?" even though we didn't like the honey anyway, and he'd be like, "no, it's so good! you like it! chew it like gum!" and we'd eat it but we'd hate it and we'd cry and dribble honey and angry kid spit and tears all over our oshkosh b'goshes. so i say honey tastes like blarrrgggh and wounded confusion and impotent rage, and agave tastes like something else that is clean and sweet and so much better, and i'm glad they have almost nothing in common.


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 Post subject: Re: Honey?
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Karena wrote:
Is honey a usual ingredient in a lot of bread in the US? It's not here in Aus. It's funny, I've heard from quite a few people who've been to the US that the bread is in most cases a lot sweeter than our bread, so perhaps that's why? The culprits for our bread often not being vegan are milk powder, & emulsifiers & enzymes from questionable sources, not honey though.

it's so. forking. hard. to find bread over here in a supermarket that isn't sweetened or sourdough. be it honey, sugar, corn syrup or molasses. guhhh. totally ruins a Vegemite sammich :(

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On the graham cracker note, if you have a store that sells Keebler graham crackers, their "original" flavor is sweetened with molasses and not honey.


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Best part of the whole mole.

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 Post subject: Re: Honey?
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karichelle wrote:
On the graham cracker note, if you have a store that sells Keebler graham crackers, their "original" flavor is sweetened with molasses and not honey.


Nabisco grahams are also free of honey, although they are sweetened with high fructose corn syrup.

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beanspark wrote:
I'm usually broke so I have to make compromises when it comes to honey, particularly how common it is in bread products. There was a blessed time when my supermarket stocked 3 varieties of vegan whole wheat bread - now there are none, so my choices are a) otherwise vegan bread with honey, b) vegan bread that costs x3 more somewhere else, c) affordable vegan bread with a drive. Practicality demands honey bread - and same goes for graham crackers, of which the honey-free varieties are at least $5 a box (versus honey graham's $1.50).

I also find agave nectar gross. It's too "high sweet" and tastes nasty in tea. Nothing I've tried is as good as honey in tea. :(

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i agree. i can't always go out of my way to our natural foods store to get single specific items, i tend to go when i have at least a few specific things on my list i want.

we consistently buy nature's own 100% whole wheat bread. it does have some funny processed ingredients and i have no idea if they plant or animal derived but this is what we buy. some brand's of arnold whole wheat bread have less ingredients in them and are vegan and we buy that bread when it's BOGO
http://naturesownbread.com/products/Var ... holeWheat/

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The only Nabisco graham crackers any store around here carries are the Honey Maid line.


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 Post subject: Re: Honey?
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karichelle wrote:
The only Nabisco graham crackers any store around here carries are the Honey Maid line.


Me too. I have a really hard time finding non-honey graham crackers. Sometimes health food stores have them, but they taste like cardboard and are really expensive. sadface.


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Karena wrote:
Is honey a usual ingredient in a lot of bread in the US? It's not here in Aus. It's funny, I've heard from quite a few people who've been to the US that the bread is in most cases a lot sweeter than our bread, so perhaps that's why? The culprits for our bread often not being vegan are milk powder, & emulsifiers & enzymes from questionable sources, not honey though.

it's so. forking. hard. to find bread over here in a supermarket that isn't sweetened or sourdough. be it honey, sugar, corn syrup or molasses. guhhh. totally ruins a Vegemite sammich :(


Have you tried Dave's Killer Bread? I have had sweetened bread my whole life so I have no idea what the difference is unless it is white. I only eat whole wheat now unless it is focaccia or something.

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I am about to make a stand even more controversial than my decision to not care very much about whether I eat honey or not:

I don't think agave nectar tastes anything like honey.

It tastes good. That is why.

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Chicki wrote:
karichelle wrote:
The only Nabisco graham crackers any store around here carries are the Honey Maid line.


Me too. I have a really hard time finding non-honey graham crackers. Sometimes health food stores have them, but they taste like cardboard and are really expensive. sadface.


The Keebler ones are really good...I buy them at Meijer. Not sure where you live though. Meijer is the only store I've found them at around here!


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Have you tried Dave's Killer Bread?

it's available most places I shop, so it's my common plan B. it's horribly sweet though, so I only tend to grab it when I'm otherwise in a bind. unless you know of a variety I haven't stumbled upon that isn't sweetened..though even the "light" bread is sweetened (both sugar AND molasses!), so I don't really hold much hope :P

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Dave's Killer Bread is too sweet for me too - although I buy it because I like the way they support the Portland community. But if you can find Silver Hills bread, it is honey-free, made from sprouted grains, and not sweet! It's a British Columbia company, and I know they sell it widely in Costco in Canada - not sure about Costco in the U.S. I find it locally in New Seasons Markets, and QFC used to carry it.

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I've been getting "One Degree" bread. it seems the simplest and best (supermarket) bread around here.. I've only found it at WF though, and I really don't go to WF often. siiiiigh!

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I work at an orchard and we use bees to pollinate the trees at certain times of the year. I've never liked honey, but I have seen how much the beekeeper cares for his bees, and it's been fairly eye-opening. Commercial honey doesn't come from bees treated in this fashion, so I will always avoid it at all costs.

It was pretty amazing when a bee stung my eye a couple of months ago and I had an insane allergic reaction. I was all "I love you bees! I'm vegan! What are you doing to me?!?!".


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In short, I do not/will not eat honey, but I do work at an orchard that requires bees to maintain our certified organic standards and I'm slightly morally conflicted about that.


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I think honey is very beneficial because :
1.Honey is nature's energy booster,
2.Honey is a great immunity system builder,
3.Honey is a natural remedy for many ailments.

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In short, I do not/will not eat honey, but I do work at an orchard that requires bees to maintain our certified organic standards and I'm slightly morally conflicted about that.

why? the bees are given a comfy home close to some tasty food? they don't know that they're benefitting us by pollinating the crops.

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