UK health minister calls for 12 week abortion limit

linanil · **Posted:** Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:32 am

I was personally hoping to see a rap battle but a haiku battle with cake sounds good too.

pandacookie · **Posted:** Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:33 am

Mighty feminist!
Sisterhood is powerful
Where's my two whole cakes?

mumbles · **Joined:** Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:53 pm **Posts:** 2679

Let me mansplain it:
A fetus is like a bean.
Now shut your cake hole.

pandacookie · **Posted:** Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:36 am

Now you get to watch her leap over hurdles
Guess that's why they call it Title IX

acr · **Posted:** Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:41 am

nothing gets results faster than threats of villanelles.

pandacookie · **Posted:** Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:45 am

I break into a lyrical freestyle
Ain't gonna listen to all that bile
Patriarchy best not mess with me
I will out rhyme out rap cause I'm panda c

acr · **Posted:** Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:51 am

if a face could launch
a thousand ships, where is my
uterus to go?

monkeytoes · **Posted:** Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:52 pm

If all disputes were settled with poetry, the world would be a better place. Pandacookie for Supreme Poet 2012!

Tofulish · **Posted:** Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:01 pm

I thought this was useful in response to the posts that the "sanctity of life" is part of the reason for restrictions on abortion.

Quote:

Researchers at Washington University in St. Louis released the results of a massive study—more than 9,000 women participated—on the effects of making birth control more widely available. And how did they make birth control more widely available? They gave it away for free. And it turns out that making birth control available to women at no cost, which is what the president is trying to do, reduced the teen birth rate by more than 80 percent (from 34.3 births per 1,000 teens on average to 6.3 births per 1,000 for teens enrolled in the study), and it reduced the number of abortions by 62–78 percent (from 19.6 abortions per 1,000 women on average to 4.4 to 7.5 abortions per 1,000 women enrolled in the study).

A person can't call himself pro-life and oppose access to birth control (or Obamacare!). If you do oppose access to birth control—or you oppose Obamacare because it expands access to birth control—you're not really pro-life. You're just anti-sex

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Sava ... d=14981168

kimba · **Joined:** Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:44 pm **Posts:** 1934

Yes, there are those opposing abortion and birth control at the same time, but there are many who are pro life and pro birth control. I don't agree that an argument like sanctity of life is invalid because some people's beliefs are hypocritcal.

Also, I don't think most restrictions on abortion are coming from pro choice/ "middle ground" people who think there should be "reasonable" limits, but people who are against abortion entirely, but can't outlaw it and are trying to find another way.

quark · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:31 am **Posts:** 643

That Dan Savage column is really awful (he suggests the letter writer fake a pregnancy as a test for her boyfriend!), but the comments are interesting. This is my fav:

Quote:

What I've never understood is WHY it matters if a fetus is a person, and whether or not it should be given rights equal to what a person has. NO PERSON has the right to use another person's body for their survival without their permission. Even if they will die without the use of that person's body. Even if the use of that person's body would be a minor inconvenience at worst to that person. It isn't about giving a fetus rights equal to a person's, it's about reducing a woman's rights until she is viewed as being less than a person.

Exactly. I don't actually care if the fetus is a person or not... it's clearly alive and probably feels pain from a pretty early stage. I'm really bothered by a lot of the pro-choice rhetoric that seeks to deny the fetus as a living being that feels pain because it so clearly echoes the rthetoric that's used to dismiss animals as living, feeling beings. I don't eat mussels and scallops because they count as living, feeling beings to me... so of course the fetus is a living, feeling being.

But none of that matters. Because anything that's growing inside my body? I get to decide what happens to it. No one else gets to make decisions about it. I could have Albert freaking Einstein living in my uterus, and it would still be okay for me to "abort" him if I wanted to, because it's *my* body, and to act as though the fetus's right to life cancels out my right to my body? That the "personhood" of the fetus is more important than my "personhood"? That is pretty forking crazy.

I do worry about about violence against fetuses and violence against women's bodies. That's why I support Planned Parenthood and other organizations that provide birth control. That's why I want our culture to be more supportive of mothers and children. But it would never, ever lead me to believe that women should be denied the right to abortion.

rhelune · **Posted:** Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:41 am

A long time ago somebody asked me: "How come you're a vegan and you would kill your baby?", of course, by "baby" meaning "embryo".

I answered: "I would kill a chicken, too, if it nested in my uterus."

quark · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:31 am **Posts:** 643

rhelune wrote:

"I would kill a chicken, too, if it nested in my uterus."

Ha! Word.

choirqueer · **Posted:** Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:14 pm

acr wrote:

if a face could launch
a thousand ships, where is my
uterus to go?

This particular line break situation makes it sound like you're waiting at the drive-thru for your uterus. :D

acr · **Posted:** Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:44 pm

when i can get good, affordable reproductive health care at the drive-thru, i'll know it's mainstream.

quark · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:31 am **Posts:** 643

Well, we can get pap smears at Walgreens.

acr · **Posted:** Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:25 pm

reproductive rights
put them on every corner
supersize that shi.t

amonik · **Posted:** Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:50 am

mumbles wrote:

The only truly pro-life belief is that all stuff in the universe should be converted from inert star dust into biological matter. Examples of pro-life policies and research goals: figuring out how to transmute less biologically useful elements into more useful material, researching alternate biologies, colonizing the solar system, and building habitats out of like trees or whatever. Eventually, if we're serious about it, devising von Neumann machines to endure the void between stars and land on other plants, pooping out life when they get there..

Everyone else is just frontin'.

I think I love you.

Vantine · **Posted:** Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:16 am

I will round down and declare that 85% of all abortions already take place in the first 12 weeks. With that said, why does there need to be restrictions about abortion after that? Why make someone who is dealing with a traumatic situation jump through hoops to "prove" to some bureaucratic body that they have a "good" reason for wanting to end their pregnancy?

No one here has really provided an answer to that. This mythology that women arbitrarily seek to end their pregnancies at 39 weeks is sexist nonsense based on ignorance about what really happens.

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