| Register  | FAQ  | Search | Login 
It is currently Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:41 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 1113 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 ... 45  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:50 am 
Mispronounces Daiya
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:31 pm
Posts: 1435
I think there's a huge difference between breastfeeding a baby and changing a diaper in public. I would be grossed out if I came across someone changing their baby's dirty diaper in the middle of a museum. At least it wasn't in a restaurant or food court.

_________________
Again, you are all brilliant and sexy. And I am lavender-laden and secure in my masculinity. - Sir Brancis Facon

bird noises | book of faces


Top
 Profile WWW  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:48 am 
Has it on Blue Vinyl
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:10 pm
Posts: 2172
Location: Midlands, UK
The museum isn't very big, it's really not far from any of the galleries to the changing room. The changing room is by the toilets but separate from them and is an actual room they could all have got into, or there is seating nearby.

I didn't say anything to them, because there would have been no point since they were already halfway through, but if you think I'm not being compassionate because I think it's a bit yucky to expose a naked child and their dirty nappy to other visitors when they're expecting to see a collection of ceramics and whatnot then I guess I don't agree.

_________________
"The lack of obstacles between me and cake is one of the best things about being a grownup for sure." - coldandsleepy

"and by "load of facts" you mean a bag of flaming poop, right?" - supercarrot


Top
 Profile WWW  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:21 am 
Mediocre Tart
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:55 pm
Posts: 4571
Location: under the skyscrapers
I'm with dropscone on this. I really don't think it's fair to accuse people of lacking compassion in such an instance (if we're going down that route then why not talk about certain parents lacking 'compassion' for the rest of us?) Nor to conflate it with breastfeeding (i don't know from English, or American, law, but in Scots Law it's illegal to prevent someone from breastfeeding pretty much anywhere. And rightly forking so.) I probably wouldn't say anything if someone randomly changed their baby's dirty nappy on a desk in the library, but damn sure I'd find it not ok and post about it here.

_________________
"I will take a drugged, sex-crazed, punk rock commie over Mrs. Thatch any day of the week" - Vantine
"I have so much more creepiness inside of me that I should share with the world" - bastah


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:37 am 
Invented Vegan Meringue
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 3560
Location: It's hot. All the time.
I would say something to someone who changed a dirty diaper in the library. I would escort them to the bathrooms. It's not hygienic, for one. Someone else might sit on that bench. It also falls under what our patron code of conduct calls "interfering with others' use of the library." Babies may be cute but no one wants to be exposed to fecal matter or urine unless it's absolutely necessary.

Also, if there are older children and two parents, I call shenanigans on needing to change a diaper on a bench in a museum. Compassion goes both ways.

_________________
A whole lot of access and privilege goes into being sanctimonious pricks J-Dub
Dessert is currently a big bowl of sanctimonious, passive aggressive vegan enduced boak. Fezza
You people are way less funny than Pandacookie. Sucks to be you.-interrobang?!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:46 am 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
Do you really think its equivalent to compare the challenges of the poor passerby forced to endure a few seconds of a naked baby or dirty diaper to being an unhappy kid that just needs relief? My kid screams and cries when she doesn't feel good because its uncomfortable to painful for her. Perhaps the bathrooms are super-easy to get to in DS's museum, but they often aren't in many places. And i'm pretty sure that the passerbys would be equally pissy if the kid was crying for too long.

If your place of business accepts kids, then please just accept that kids aren't tiny adults who can control their urges or their bowels, and they need to be cared for and attended to.

Before i had kids, I totally thought parents were selfish and rude for "not controlling their kids" but now I have one, I understand better how you can't really control kids and their needs are really immediate so you can't explain that "oh it hurts but hold on for 5 mins," because they don't understand that.

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:51 am 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
Oh an I call shenanigans on claiming that its unhygienic and unsanitary. The only part of the diap that touches the bench is the outside cover which is clean. All the poop and pee is inside. I change my kid's diaper superfast and no excrement gets anywhere. The diap then gets folded up and tossed into a bag or wetbag.

I would agree that its rude to leave a dirty diap on the bench though.

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:08 am 
Invented Vegan Meringue
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 3560
Location: It's hot. All the time.
But why should other people be exposed to it? I can't recall an instance where it was such an emergency that I could not get to a private place to change a diaper. There is not a timer on a diaper which will cause it to explode. Kid gets upset, you trek to a bathroom, change the diaper, and trek back. It's not fun but it's not impossible.

It's not a big secret when a kid has a dirty diaper. Part of the deal when caring for people who need help, regardless of their age, is that you will be inconvenienced. A museum gallery is a completely inappropriate place to change a diaper. It's not intolerance to suggest that it's inappropriate. You are cleaning fecal matter and urine from someone's behind. It's not unreasonable that people in a pubic place would not wish to see that or be exposed to it.

Changing your kid in the car and leaving...detritus in the parking lot is also not nice.

_________________
A whole lot of access and privilege goes into being sanctimonious pricks J-Dub
Dessert is currently a big bowl of sanctimonious, passive aggressive vegan enduced boak. Fezza
You people are way less funny than Pandacookie. Sucks to be you.-interrobang?!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:11 am 
Mediocre Tart
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:55 pm
Posts: 4571
Location: under the skyscrapers
Well, as we are calling 'shenannigans' (what does that even mean?!) like crazy, here we (here we, here we forking) go.

Tofulish wrote:
Do you really think its equivalent to compare the challenges of the poor passerby forced to endure a few seconds of a naked baby or dirty diaper to being an unhappy kid that just needs relief?

Ahem. endure? Really? It's not about enduring challenges for the poor passerby. Dear scrod. I don't care from yer naked baby. I really don't. More power to you and your naked baby &c. It's just forking rude, is what it is. Rude rude rude. Take 'em to a changing area. That nappy doesn't explode like a dirty bomb if you don't get to it within 30 seconds. Really. Surely if you take your baby to a museum for some reason you are prepared for this (metaphorical and literal) shiitake. Damn straight I am not ok with potential baby poop on Tutankhamun or Dani Marti's exhibitions.

_________________
"I will take a drugged, sex-crazed, punk rock commie over Mrs. Thatch any day of the week" - Vantine
"I have so much more creepiness inside of me that I should share with the world" - bastah


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:16 am 
Built this city on rock and roll
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:58 pm
Posts: 1199
interrobang?! wrote:
I'm with dropscone on this. I really don't think it's fair to accuse people of lacking compassion in such an instance (if we're going down that route then why not talk about certain parents lacking 'compassion' for the rest of us?) Nor to conflate it with breastfeeding (i don't know from English, or American, law, but in Scots Law it's illegal to prevent someone from breastfeeding pretty much anywhere. And rightly forking so.) I probably wouldn't say anything if someone randomly changed their baby's dirty nappy on a desk in the library, but damn sure I'd find it not ok and post about it here.


yeah this. If there is a changing room that is wonderful and I am going to use that. I know I am not ruining my child's life if she has to wait for five minutes. For me it is a matter of respect towards the museum's visitors.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:17 am 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
interrobang?! wrote:
. Damn straight I am not ok with potential baby poop on Tutankhamun or Dani Marti's exhibitions.


That isn't how babies poop! They're not hippos that use their tails to fling poo on everything in a 360 radius!

And yes, if there is an easy, accessible changing room, of course I'd rather use that. I've even changed my kid on the floor of a disgusting toilet in a restaurant rather than offend people. But sometimes its just not feasible, and I would hope that people would be kind and understand that sometimes things get out of your control.

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:09 pm 
WRETCHED
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:54 pm
Posts: 8010
Location: Maryland/DC area
What happens if a kid pees or poos while you are in the midst of diaper changing? Also, I assume one would need to go to the bathroom to throw away the diaper anyway?

_________________
You are all a disgrace to vegans. Go f*ck yourselves, especially linanil.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:24 pm 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
We use cloth, so I just shove it into a wetbag. And poop or pee are much like your poop or pee - its pretty contained to the immediate area.

Obviously, we all try and do the best we can to be non-obtrusive, but sometimes the best laid plans go awry. I was on a hike the other day with the dog and the baby, and we got to the comfort station and I needed to pee so bad. But I couldn't get the baby into the portapotty with me, and I didn't feel safe letting her run around while I peed (we were close to a lake (in other parks, I'll hold the door open so I can see her). And so I peed right outside the portapotty. Ideal no. Scenic, yes.

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:39 pm 
WRETCHED
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:54 pm
Posts: 8010
Location: Maryland/DC area
Well I'm all for peeing in the trees. My bladder is fairly small I guess so going without peeing for a couple hours, especially something like hiking, is unheard of for me.

_________________
You are all a disgrace to vegans. Go f*ck yourselves, especially linanil.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:07 pm 
Fair trade, organic mistletoe
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 3507
Location: Toronto
Peeing outside in a park is very different from changing a poopy diaper in the midst of a museum.

_________________
"I'd rather have dried catshit! I'd rather have astroturf! I'd rather have an igloo!"~Isa

"But really, anyone willing to dangle their baby in front of a crocodile is A-OK in my book."~SSD


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:18 pm 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
My point was that sometimes you have to make adjustments.

Any way, I change my kid's nappies in public, because sometimes a quick change on a nice bench or spot on the grass is easier to manage than going to find bathroom with a screaming kidlet, only to discover that the only facilities are a stinky bathroom with no changing table, where I have to put her on the floor and hover over her with a clear view on the gross brown shiitake splatter in the toilet bowl.

And I don't know about you, but when my kid starts crying, if I head it off with swift remedial action, its a non-issue. But if it gets out of control, because she's been crying too long, its much harder to come back from. And then everyone is pissed at you for having the crying baby.

I was on the train recently, sitting quietly behind 4 women chattering loudly about their boyfriends. Leela screamed once because she was tired and wanted to get home and I promptly snuggled her and quieted her down, but the 4 women still gave me the stink eye. Its a public place - I don't get to tell you not to wear cheap scent that triggers my asthma, I don't get to tell you not to swear or be drunk around my kid, I don't tell you that the whining about your boyfriends is boring and insipid and I don't get to tell the woman loudly talking on the phone next to me to shut up. If you want to completely control your space, stay home.

I just think people are really tough on parents and should cut us some slack. We are all just doing the best we can.

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:22 pm 
Has it on Blue Vinyl
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:10 pm
Posts: 2172
Location: Midlands, UK
I've got a new one! I had to stop a grown adult from repeatedly punching our Mummy figure today! He looked like he could have been a student, and smelled like he might have been a bit hungover (or still drunk), but he was behaving pretty normally until I heard the thwacking sound. Most peculiar.

_________________
"The lack of obstacles between me and cake is one of the best things about being a grownup for sure." - coldandsleepy

"and by "load of facts" you mean a bag of flaming poop, right?" - supercarrot


Top
 Profile WWW  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:47 pm 
Lactose Intolerant...Literally
User avatar
Online

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:40 pm
Posts: 706
Location: Portland, OR
Changing a diaper on a museum bench is completely uncalled for. Most public places that get a lot of foot traffic have changing tables in their bathrooms, so use them! It is unsanitary and the rest of the public does not care to see your naked baby plus filthy diaper. I also think a lot of parents nowadays just feel more entitled than before, but that is just my opinion. I would have most certainly said something to the diaper changer.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:32 pm 
Huffs Nooch
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:46 pm
Posts: 128
I get that being a parent to a wee one might be hard but there doesn't need to be visible poop for there to be poop germs.


Top
 Profile WWW  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:50 pm 
Mispronounces Daiya
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:31 pm
Posts: 1418
Location: In the land of Druids and Moonrakers
And it's a rare child whose poop makes the room smell of roses...

_________________
Cake is always the appropriate intervention. - choirqueer
We are here to discuss the gender politics of cats, not your mommy issues. - Expired Sanity


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:05 pm 
Drinks Wild Tofurkey
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:37 pm
Posts: 2935
Location: Ireland
I don't think the ick factor would bug me too much..... it would be the "what creep is looking at the baby naked" freaking me out. If you wouldn't expose your own butt in the middle of a museum then don't impose that on a little baby that can't defend their own dignity!

_________________
Meowchickameow meow! - Tofulish


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:14 pm 
Invented Vegan Meringue
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 3560
Location: It's hot. All the time.
You are conflating a lot of different things. A child getting upset on a train is a completely different matter than what we were discussing which was whether or not is was reasonable for a person with an adult partner who can watch their other children to be expected to change their baby's diaper somewhere other than on a bench in a museum.

I fail to see how it's being intolerant to expect an adult to be courteous to all of the other people in the museum by dealing with the diaper somewhere other than where they chose, for their own convenience, to take care of it. I can come up with many fantastic situations that might require extraordinary action but the one described by the OP is not one of them.

I won't even address the fact that you can't wash your hands in the middle of a museum.

_________________
A whole lot of access and privilege goes into being sanctimonious pricks J-Dub
Dessert is currently a big bowl of sanctimonious, passive aggressive vegan enduced boak. Fezza
You people are way less funny than Pandacookie. Sucks to be you.-interrobang?!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:15 pm 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
Ruby Rose wrote:
And it's a rare child whose poop makes the room smell of roses...


Oh wait, so now we want to ban farting in public places too? Because I can guarantee you that my kid's diaper doesn't smell worse than a big adult stinkfart or body odor.

And the comment about creeps looking at my kid and violating the dignity of my child is just weird. I really don't think perverts are gathered in museums waiting to see an unclothed infant butt.

Its really easy to say that parents are "entitled" but we're just trying to take the best care we can of our children, in ways that may not be optimal. Its other people who feel "entitled" to control public spaces and keep things that they find offensive out. If you don't want to see me changing my kidlet, turn your eyes for a few seconds and go look at a piece of art. That is what people do when I breastfeed. And if someone farts in a public space, I just leave the room if its really bad and make an Adam Crisis joke in my head.

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:21 pm 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
Vantine wrote:
You are conflating a lot of different things. A child getting upset on a train is a completely different matter than what we were discussing which was whether or not is was reasonable for a person with an adult partner who can watch their other children to be expected to change their baby's diaper somewhere other than on a bench in a museum.


You're missing my point. Public spaces are public spaces. Children are no more and no less annoying than anyone else in them. But I think children and parents are held to a stricter standard - we still want children to not be seen or heard in public places, which is certainly not the high standard we apply to adults.

As for the diaper changing, all I am trying to say is that it can be very challenging to manage children and all their stuff. And sometimes you're going to have to change a diaper in a museum. I have bad knees. I was in our local museum and nipped into a gallery on the first floor and changed Leela on the floor because it was hard for me to go down the stairs with a 25 lb baby, change her and come back up. And you know, not one person batted an eyelash or was a jerk to me.

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:29 pm 
Fair trade, organic mistletoe
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:52 am
Posts: 3507
Location: Toronto
I feel like, as a society, we have agreed that there are places for poop and places (most of them) that are defacto poop-free. This is an agreement I whole-heartedly endorse.

I also think that throwing the word "entitled" around, regardless of who you're aiming I at is guaranteed to derail the conversation and make a variety of people feel defensive and attacked.

_________________
"I'd rather have dried catshit! I'd rather have astroturf! I'd rather have an igloo!"~Isa

"But really, anyone willing to dangle their baby in front of a crocodile is A-OK in my book."~SSD


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Very Special Customers/Clients
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:45 pm 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
I don't think there are any places that are truly poop-free. Poop is every where. And its the same argument people make that that there are places for nudity, breastfeeding is nudity, so go feed your baby in the toilet please.

And my use of the word "entitled" is in response to LVS's saying parents are "entitled."

And I get it, I do. I felt the same way you do before I had kids. But then you have one and your choice is sit home and never go any where that your child might be considered a nuisance or go out and deal with people who think that you breastfeeding or taking care of your kid is an infringement of their right to enjoy a space and that you're a nuisance.

But either way, let's all agree that Mummy punching is very bad indeed, albeit slightly hilarious.

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic  [ 1113 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 ... 45  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: blondiefk, bsd, kfad and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Template made by DEVPPL/ThatBigForum and fancied up by What Cheer