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vegimator
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:28 am |
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| Mispronounces Daiya |
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Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:56 pm Posts: 1423 Location: oakland
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supercarrot wrote: wouldn't you think a gene that wasn't supposed to be there would be more likely to mutate? ..No? This sounds like speculative fear mongering unless you have some evidence.
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SkepticalVegan
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:19 pm |
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supercarrot wrote: is that the stuff that smells like rancid garlic? oh man, i would not want to use rancid garlic smelling wheat in my sweet breads. No, its from mint, though it may not smell like mint. Also it is only expressed in the green parts of the plant, not in the seed. Quote: and i mean mutate. it was theoretical. genes mutate all the time*, and wouldn't you think a gene that wasn't supposed to be there would be more likely to mutate**? *exactly, but for GE crops we usually dont allow then generations to mutate as a new certified seed crop is planted each year. For conventional seed however we have far less safety assurance. Mutation breeding (aka atomic gardening), embryo rescue, hybridization, ect all cause mutations in thousands of genes, consequently conventional breeding has resulted in celery and potatoes that are poisonous. Conventionally breed crops are not subject to any safety monitoring at the molecular level unlike GE crops. The idea that conventional breeding is safer than GE is just false. GE tech is more predictable and is better regulated for safety. **no, do you have some info you are basing that on?
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SkepticalVegan
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:22 pm |
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Chipmunk
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:24 pm |
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Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:00 pm Posts: 1080 Location: Sweden
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supercarrot wrote: and i mean mutate. it was theoretical. genes mutate all the time, and wouldn't you think a gene that wasn't supposed to be there would be more likely to mutate? No. The mutation rate will depend to some extent on where it is and the base composition (which will have been adjusted to resemble the host organism anyway). "Wasn't supposed to be there" isn't a physical property upon which mutation acts. These genes are doing just fine in other organisms, such as peppermint. Most mutations just break the protein anyway and this isn't really a scenario where you would have selection pressure driving changes in the protein.
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supercarrot
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:32 pm |
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Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:46 pm Posts: 2996 Location: 5 mi east of philly
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thank you for answering my hypotheses with science, chipmunk. <3
and skeptical vegan, potatoes (and tomatoes, peppers and eggplant) are solanaceous. they're already related to highly poisonous plants (deadly nightshade/beladonna for one.) it's not surprising that conventional breeding would bring about a poisonous hybrid. (this is one of the main reasons macrobiotic folks stay away from solanaceae.)
(and to a lesser extent, poison hemlock in the apiaceae family. explains why poisonous celery could have been developed)
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vegimator
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:42 am |
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Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:56 pm Posts: 1423 Location: oakland
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_________________ Like the beleaguered people of sub-Saharan Africa, I'll just go to Denny's. Solidarity! -mumbles
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mollyjade
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:33 pm |
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Alternative title for that article: Seeds Fall onto Soil, Grow.
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vegimator
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:04 pm |
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Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:56 pm Posts: 1423 Location: oakland
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Ha!
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flashpacker
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:41 am |
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I'm ok with eating GM food but I like having a choice. I just had a visitor from the US who said she doesn't buy tofu anymore because it's so hard to get non-GM soy for her. I wouldn't survive without tofu!
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supercarrot
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:44 am |
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flashpacker wrote: I'm ok with eating GM food but I like having a choice. I just had a visitor from the US who said she doesn't buy tofu anymore because it's so hard to get non-GM soy for her. I wouldn't survive without tofu! she can't find organic tofu? that's odd. most tofu around here is organic. (and therefore defaults to being non-GMO) and since it's been bumped, peru has approved a 10 year ban on GMOs http://www.occupymonsanto360.org/2012/0 ... red-foods/
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linanil
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:35 am |
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:54 pm Posts: 6266 Location: Maryland/DC area
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The only place I've seen tofu not marked as organic are the asian groceries. Everywhere else it seems to be marked as organic.
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Ariann
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:30 pm |
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Yeah, I've never seen non-organic/non-GMO packaged tofu.
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monkeytoes
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:23 pm |
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Didn't we have a thread where we were purposely trying to find GM tofu and all the major brands we were finding specifically stated either organic or non-GM? I don't think anyone found any.
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SkepticalVegan
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Post subject: Re: GM Food Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:40 pm |
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Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:16 am Posts: 448
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monkeytoes wrote: Didn't we have a thread where we were purposely trying to find GM tofu and all the major brands we were finding specifically stated either organic or non-GM? I don't think anyone found any. I did that locally...went and found about 2 dozen or so brands and checked em all, all were non-gmo. I think people just get confused by the out of context statistics that activist throw around like "GM soy accounts for 91 percent of soybeans planted in the US"...well yes but only a small percent of that goes to making tofu of veggie burgers, most is animal feed and oil. Same for claims that "85 percent of U.S. corn is genetically engineered" without differentiating between field corn, sweet corn, and popcorn (there is no gmo popcorn).
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