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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:43 pm 
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Larisa wrote:
My basic opinion on this is that animals and humans are different. And animals and animals are different. A cow has the right to live out its life as a cow, because a cow is what it is. A fish has the right to live out its life as a fish, because a fish is what it is. A human has the right to live out its life as a human, because a human is what it is. All these arguments seem to be saying that the only way we can make animals seem valuable is to claim that they're the same as people. I disagree -- every being is valuable for being what it is. I don't need "cows are just like people" as a preliminary step to "cows are valuable."

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:24 pm 
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IsaChandra wrote:
Larisa wrote:
My basic opinion on this is that animals and humans are different. And animals and animals are different. A cow has the right to live out its life as a cow, because a cow is what it is. A fish has the right to live out its life as a fish, because a fish is what it is. A human has the right to live out its life as a human, because a human is what it is. All these arguments seem to be saying that the only way we can make animals seem valuable is to claim that they're the same as people. I disagree -- every being is valuable for being what it is. I don't need "cows are just like people" as a preliminary step to "cows are valuable."
Agree.
Times a million. It would be a whole lot better for everyone if we could find a way to stop assigning the value(s) of other creatures' experience in relation to that of humans.

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:29 pm 
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I'll send you holoslaverape cookies.


Is it weird that my first thought was that they would be holographic cookies?

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:24 pm 
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I found this to be an interesting and relevant read (may be triggering to some): http://www.becausewemust.org/on-analogi ... opriation/

Also apologies if I'm reviving a thread that doesn't really need reviving. I don't mean to start a debate about the article, just thought people might want to read.


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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:27 pm 
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I really liked that article, almira.

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:15 am 
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I love that piece and highly recommend the Breeze Harper videos it links to as well.

"Nuanced examples require research and thoughtfulness that seems impossible to do in a simple graphic or a tweet. So their use following these guidelines would be well researched, vetted for accuracy, come from non-privileged folk, and be used sparingly."

That's basically what I was trying to get at earlier, but I'm not so great with the words. But I'd also take it a step further and say that declaring certain topics verbotten without considering context can disempower people who want to use their own history and experience.


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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:27 am 
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almiratanner wrote:
I found this to be an interesting and relevant read (may be triggering to some): http://www.becausewemust.org/on-analogi ... opriation/

Also apologies if I'm reviving a thread that doesn't really need reviving. I don't mean to start a debate about the article, just thought people might want to read.

Thanks you for the article! And the author must be so frustrated having to explain herself over and over again in the comments.

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:31 am 
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WHY DID YOU MAKE ME READ THE COMMENTS!?

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:32 am 
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I know, don't do it. I just couldn't help but notice that they were glossing over her point about when it's ok to make the analogy (ie: write an entire book about it.)

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:34 pm 
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Erika Soyf*cker wrote:
Tofulish wrote:
I'll send you holoslaverape cookies.


Is it weird that my first thought was that they would be holographic cookies?


Only if it's weird that I didn't realize that they weren't holographic cookies, until you said something!

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
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Erika Soyf*cker wrote:
Tofulish wrote:
I'll send you holoslaverape cookies.


Is it weird that my first thought was that they would be holographic cookies?


Only if it's weird that I didn't realize that they weren't holographic cookies, until you said something!

CQ you've just been watching too much Star Trek again.

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
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CQ you've just been watching too much Star Trek again.


Sky is blue, grass is green, water is wet, CQ is watching too much Star Trek again...

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:32 pm 
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Tofulish wrote:

You know what was so effective to me? A friend pointed out that the reason they invented chocolate milk is that the chocolate covers up all the blood in the milk that they can't get white again.

Barf.

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I think a plate of cookies and a kind, compassionate attitude towards all forms of life inspires more interest in veganism than making comparisons which can potentially hurt or offend.

Delicious food is always your best bet. There's nothing less offensive than a cupcake!

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 Post subject: Re: Effective vegan messaging
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:55 pm 
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paprikapapaya wrote:
I make a conscious effort to only speak about veganism in positives, not negatives.

Just reposting this quote because I think it's wonderful.

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