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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:43 pm 
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אני מדברת עברית אבל לא הרבה. יש לי רק שנה אחת. גם אני מדברת צרפתית

J'étudie le français depuis 7 ans, et je peux écrire en conversation bien, mais je déteste écrire les rédactions. J'oublie souvent la grammaire pour les deux langues, mais peut-être les coures de grammaire linguistique m’a aidé un peu. J’ai beaucoup de peur à faire des erreurs quand je parle les autres langues, si je ne les pratique pas souvent.

I'm a linguistics major at school and currently I'm writing a paper on Hebrew syntax (dual form) and working on a transcription project for my phonetics class. So far it's a bisque, but my untrained ear thinks the first language I have is something Scandinavian (but something uncommon, because she was mad that so many students guessed the language last year). I'm hoping to go to Israel after I graduate and learn more Hebrew as well as work on endangered language documentation.

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:45 pm 
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Yay! Hebrew speakers! You can write in Hebrew two easy ways in Windows (sorry I am not writing this in Hebrew now - not on the right computer). One, install Hebrew language as one of your windows languages and then toggle back and forth (on the task bar near the time). The other way is to own a Hebrew word processing software (Davka, Mellel), type it there, then cut and paste. Bonus for word processing software is that there's spelling correction.

adventuresoflandooe - what is "dual form"? I am not a linguist. And I think endangered languages are so interesting!

I also have lost a lot of language - was once fluent in Hebrew (not my mammeloshon, but learned as a young child) and very good in Spanish (have a college major in it, my father spoke Spanish to me as a kid) and have just lost huge amounts of vocabulary in both languages. My grammar is still good, but I don't have enough words to put into it sometimes to say anything worth saying! I'm talking to my kid in Hebrew and forcing myself to relearn useful words along the way.


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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:14 pm 
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Dual form-words like body parts (ידיים), things that come in pairs (אופניים) and time (שנתיים). Mostly I'm looking at the distribution of the suffix "-ayim" and how if/when numerals show up in terms of a syntactic structure.

For Hebrew typing, I prefer to use my phone since I installed a Hebrew keyboard and it has some spell check (not that I know enough to really know if it's correcting it to the right word) or else I use a Hebrew virtual keyboard because even though I can change keyboards on my computer I don't know how the letters correspond offhand.

Mostly I'm interested in studying endangered Jewish languages. Even the idea of mixed languages fascinates me.

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:31 am 
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Oh, got it. Yes, it's very weird (and very useful) that Hebrew does that (dual form) - do you know if other Semitic languages do it? I don't know that I've noticed it in Aramaic (Babylonian Talmud form, I know there are many Aramaics out there).


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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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Si etj de eeinzje dee Plautditsch reede deut?


Ich konnte das mal. Aber sieht so aus als wenn die Version, die meine Familie spricht, total anders ist als Deine. Ich komme aus der Nähe von Bremen, woher ist Dein Platt? Holländische Grenze? NRW?


Das ist das Plattdeutsch der Russlandsdeutschen Mennoniten und stammt ursprünglich aus Friesland und dem Weichseldelta. Das "normale" Platt aus Hamburg oder so verstehe ich nur, sprechen kann ich das nicht...


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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:06 pm 
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I don't know enough about Aramaic, but it probably has dual form. Arabic definitely has it, even more extensively than Hebrew. I'm pretty sure dual form is a holdover from pre-biblical Hebrew, which has mostly disappeared except in the afore mentioned cases.

Also, sorry for hijacking and speaking in English, I just get way excited about talking about linguistics.

Je peut parler sur la phonetique francaise si vous voudrais. J'ai suivi ce course le semestre dernier.

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Woho! Några svenskar här? :D


Svensk här också! Svensk är mitt andra språk och jag har lärt mig själv genom läsning böcker och nyheter, lyssning på SR på webben, och lite klasser här och där sedan jag var 13 år. Min läsning är skitbra men min skrivning och pratande är lite dålig (som ni alla kan läsa)... jag har ingen att förbättre med!

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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Hola, hablo castellano (espanol) y francés, más espanol! Hay algun@s otr@s hispanohablantes aquí?


Hablo español, pero necesito practicar más. Espero que pueda ir a Madrid o Barcelona el año proximo.


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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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J'ai fait un graphe de mes langues dans le temps. C'est un exercice marrant, et puis j'aime bien les graphes.

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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My Italian friend was trying to explain tuta [work clothes; a sort of artist's studio uniformy something] to me, so I thought I'd ask google images for some help. This was the number 1 return.

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Best? Or bestest ever?

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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I've picked up an "Improve your Italian" book. I've never really learnt Italian, but I can read recipe books in the language, so maybe I can skip to intermediate level? On verra.

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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Blueberries wrote:
Hola, hablo castellano (espanol) y francés, más espanol! Hay algun@s otr@s hispanohablantes aquí?


Hablo español, pero necesito practicar más. Espero que pueda ir a Madrid o Barcelona el año proximo.



Habo espanol tambien, pero solo un poco. Quiero practicar con el ppk!

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Moi aussi, je veux bien apprendre l'espagnol. Et l'italien. Mais chaque fois que je commence, je remplace les nouveaux mots espagnols/italiens avec les mots que je connais déjà en français....


Je fais la meme chose avec l'hollandais et l'anglais. (sorry, don't know where the accents are!)


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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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aelle wrote:
J'ai fait un graphe de mes langues dans le temps. C'est un exercice marrant, et puis j'aime bien les graphes.

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Love it! I took 5 years of French and can decipher most written passages, but I can't speak a lick of it. I took a lot less Spanish, but that's at about the same level; I think I could get that back more easily though.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:04 pm 
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jerusha wrote:
Si etj de eeinzje dee Plautditsch reede deut?


¡¡¡Eeeeeh!!! ¿DAT verstinn ech? ¡Ma jo, Plautditsch seet e besse wéi Lëtzebuergesch aus!

(an, jo, ech hunn ee spuenesch Clavier. Lang Geschischt)

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Non, en fait je ne connais pas cette langue, je fais juste la maline!
Salut les francophones!!!!! Ca fait super plaisir, je ne savais pas qu'on était aussi nombreux :)

Youpie youpie merci Gulliver!

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aelle wrote:
J'ai fait un graphe de mes langues dans le temps. C'est un exercice marrant, et puis j'aime bien les graphes.

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Génial!!!! :)
Tu me donnes envie d'en faire un aussi -je m'étonne souvent de voir comment les langues que j'apprends successivement "font la course" dans mon cerveau... (match très serré pour les deuxième et troisième place)

(Que raro, hablar francés aqui me hace sentirme un poco esquizofrénica... ¡que encanto!)

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Coño this table inspires me soooo much...
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¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡THE NERDY LINGUIST BEAST IS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:34 pm 
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מענין לי מאד לדבר איתכם בעברית אבל אין לי מה להגיד לכם! איך אומרים "דוּאָל פוֹרם" בעברית? כפולה? באמת אני לא שמתי לב בדקדוק!


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(googletranslated)
but Im afraid I cannot help you chère Ariann?

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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Hoping that only looks garbled/backwards on my phone. Google translate doesn't really work for Hebrew, though, even when it's all in the right direction! My question was for adventuresoflandooe, though!


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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:15 pm 
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. אני מבינה! אבל לא ידעתי את המילה דועל״ חבר שלי אמר לי ש שהם אומרים זוג.

Ok I had to look up a few words in order to understand, but considering I haven't spoken this much Hebrew in almost a year, I think I'm doing ok.

Also, I think the linguist beasts should always be unleashed!

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That was just transliterated "dual" - you can tell in Hebrew when someone is transliterating when they give you vowels or the spelling looks non-standard (extra yuds, vavs, and alephs are a giveaway, as are chipchuk tzadees, gimmels, etc.).


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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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Blueberries wrote:
Hola, hablo castellano (espanol) y francés, más espanol! Hay algun@s otr@s hispanohablantes aquí?


Hablo español, pero necesito practicar más. Espero que pueda ir a Madrid o Barcelona el año proximo.



Habo espanol tambien, pero solo un poco. Quiero practicar con el ppk!


¡Hola a todos los hispanohablantes!


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The first time I've seen singular they used on the BBC news website:

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"We can also all celebrate that whether the baby is a boy or a girl, they will have an equal claim to the throne."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20600543

Not language use the way this thread means it, but it's definite language geekery.

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The first time I've seen singular they used on the BBC news website:

Quote:
"We can also all celebrate that whether the baby is a boy or a girl, they will have an equal claim to the throne."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20600543

Not language use the way this thread means it, but it's definite language geekery.


totally!

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