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 Post subject: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:36 pm 
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I bought it without reading the label.

Apparently it "neutralizes odor from bad breath germs." That's it? I mean obviously I want my breath to smell awesome, but I also want it to clean my forking teeth.

Is there a better vegan mouthwash out there? Also Tom's "Simply White/clean mint" toothpaste kind of tastes like asparagus.

This is the first time when I've been vegan when I've sought out vegan dental products. Do other people do this, or am I taking things too far?


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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:00 pm 
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i just swish some hydrogen peroxide around for about a minute after i've brushed my teeth. i hate the taste of most mouthwashes, but the taste of peroxide is relatively neutral, and my mouth feels cleaner longer because there's no weird sweet flavor. i'm not a big fan of traditional minty toothpaste, but the kiss my face formulas are o.k. i like the desert essence ginger toothpaste, and the anise toothpaste from nature's gate.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:03 pm 
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Yeah, it doesn't look useful at all.

People get too het up about alcohol in stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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I use Trader Joe's toothpaste. I don't think it's just re-packaged Tom's of Main because the texture is much firmer. I don't know about a good vegan mouth wash. But you are not taking things too far. I use the TJ's stuff because it is vegan and I like the taste (no artificial sweeteners to make it gross) and it has fluoride, which I want.

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I have some Tom's mouthwash but yeah, not really much more than minty freshness. I use the Tom's "Whole Care" toothpaste and I thought it tasted like asparagus at first because I was used to really sweet non-vegan brands like Crest or whatever, but now I like the peppermint. Spearmint's OK too.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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I use the Jason Sea Fresh toothpaste. It's vegan, and I feel no need for mouthwash after brushing with that stuff, after even the MOST garlicky meal.

ETA: Definitely not taking it too far, toothpaste, mouthwash, etc... are so much easier to find than say the perfect vegan red lipstick! But, the search for all of the above is part of the process. Hydrogen Peroxide is a good suggestion, but it won't give you that minty feeling!

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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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monkeytoes wrote:
I have some Tom's mouthwash but yeah, not really much more than minty freshness. I use the Tom's "Whole Care" toothpaste and I thought it tasted like asparagus at first because I was used to really sweet non-vegan brands like Crest or whatever, but now I like the peppermint. Spearmint's OK too.


Yeah, Tom's toothpaste was kind of weirdly shocking after decades of Crest, but now I really like it, and the few times I've had to use something else it was just as disconcerting.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:09 am 
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Thanks everybody!


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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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JonnyWoop wrote:
I bought it without reading the label.

Apparently it "neutralizes odor from bad breath germs." That's it? I mean obviously I want my breath to smell awesome, but I also want it to clean my forking teeth.


Wait, isn't that what mouthwash is supposed to do? Your toothbrush and your hand are supposed to clean your teeth. I always thought of mouthwash as just something to give that extra splash of freshness.

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People get too het up about alcohol in stuff.


I don't really care about alcohol as an ingredient in most things, but from what I understand, using mouthwash with alcohol is counterproductive because the alcohol actually dehydrates your mucus membranes which leads to a dryer mouth which in turn leads to bad breath.

Anyway, back to the question at hand. I've bought Tom's Mouthwash once and found it perfectly satisfying for what I expect of mouthwash (freshening my breath). I'd buy it again. To actually clean my teeth, I brush with Lavera toothpaste (vegan, but I'm not sure it's available in North America), and use dental sticks between my teeth (I have some gaps that make flossing less efficient). I guess it all depends on what you're expecting of a product.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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The only reason I use mouthwash is to help out my teeth, so I get one with fluoride. Otherwise I could just brush my teeth (I use Tom's Whole Care) or chew some gum to "freshen my breath." I use The Natural Dentist's fluoride mouthwash--their products are vegan.

(JonnyWoop, They have the mouthwash at Cambridge Naturals in Porter Square if you're interested.)

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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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vegetalion wrote:
(JonnyWoop, They have the mouthwash at Cambridge Naturals in Porter Square if you're interested.)


Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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lepelaar wrote:
JonnyWoop wrote:
I bought it without reading the label.

Apparently it "neutralizes odor from bad breath germs." That's it? I mean obviously I want my breath to smell awesome, but I also want it to clean my forking teeth.


Wait, isn't that what mouthwash is supposed to do? Your toothbrush and your hand are supposed to clean your teeth. I always thought of mouthwash as just something to give that extra splash of freshness.

Mouthwash can help prevent the gum disease known as gingivitis!

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Nebraskalaska wrote:
lepelaar wrote:
JonnyWoop wrote:
I bought it without reading the label.

Apparently it "neutralizes odor from bad breath germs." That's it? I mean obviously I want my breath to smell awesome, but I also want it to clean my forking teeth.


Wait, isn't that what mouthwash is supposed to do? Your toothbrush and your hand are supposed to clean your teeth. I always thought of mouthwash as just something to give that extra splash of freshness.

Mouthwash can help prevent the gum disease known as gingivitis!


4 out of 5 dentists agree

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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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Is this a safe space to talk about Tom's eyewash?

I'm worried about embarrassing eyeball odor.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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Strangely, the kids' version of Tom's mouthwash actually has anti-cavity protection.


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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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If you aren't against the alcohol in mouthwash thing, I use Dr Tichenors, which you get in concentrate and then dilute. So I use an old peroxide bottle and mix it with 3 parts peroxide and 2 parts water, then add in a dropperful of myrrh (good against gum) disease I read somewhere of nother. I might try diluting the alcohol more though. I usually just splash it on my toothbrush though.


The peroxide is a whitener too.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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I dunno about their mouthwash, but I like their toothpaste. They have the stuff with fluoride and the stuff without fluoride. I prefer the kids flavors (silly strawberry specifically). I miss the cinnamon flavor, they don't make it anymore.

For mouthwash, I use Act or a generic Act. I doubt its veganness, but I like a nice fluoride mouthrinse. I used to use Biotene for dry mouth (several years ago), and I recently saw on the label something like "contains milk and egg derivites." Ugh, in mouthwash? Gross. I think it is the enzymes. Or something?


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 Post subject: Re: Is Tom's mouthwash worthless?
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JonnyWoop wrote:
Strangely, the kids' version of Tom's mouthwash actually has anti-cavity protection.

So use the kid's one. No one's stopping you.


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