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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:56 pm 
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I'm not sure why private contractors would be better trained. A corporation providing this service might look at more extendive training as harming their bottom line. Take that, Mr. Elliptical.

Perhaps because they're easier to fire and held more accountable? Or at least they won't be able to bring a civil lawsuit against you for electing not to fly after you realize your options are nude photos or bad touch?

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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:45 pm 
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If I wear a lined bra, are they going to ask what I'm hiding?


I hope they do, just so you can say the word 'nipples' to the TSA


Hey, some of us use those to hide our small boobs!

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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:32 pm 
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If I wear a lined bra, are they going to ask what I'm hiding?


I hope they do, just so you can say the word 'nipples' to the TSA


Hey, some of us use those to hide our small boobs!


You can't hide from the TSA!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:37 pm 
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Really though, some padded bras feel like you ARE smuggling something in that little corner on the side. I, for one, am looking forward to explaining that my boobs are actually significantly lower than they appear and not to worry - that's just a little bag of jelly sewn in that's pushing my chest fat to the appropriate place.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:49 pm 
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When they ask about your bra, please tell them you're smuggling raisins.

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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:46 pm 
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When they ask about your bra, please tell them you're smuggling raisins.


I hereby promise, oh sealy one, that if I'm asked about the contents of my bra, I will tell them "boobs and raisins."

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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:48 pm 
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more forking bullshiitake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQTz1bccL4

Lets get the facts straight first. Before the video started the boy went through a metal detector and didn't set it off but was selected for a pat down. The boy was shy so the TSA couldn't complete the full pat on the young boy. The father tried several times to just hold the boys arms out for the TSA agent but i guess it didn't end up being enough for the guy. I was about 30 ft away so i couldn't hear their conversation if there was any. The enraged father pulled his son shirt off and gave it to the TSA agent to search, thats when this video begins.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:57 pm 
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more forking bullshiitake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQTz1bccL4

Lets get the facts straight first. Before the video started the boy went through a metal detector and didn't set it off but was selected for a pat down. The boy was shy so the TSA couldn't complete the full pat on the young boy. The father tried several times to just hold the boys arms out for the TSA agent but i guess it didn't end up being enough for the guy. I was about 30 ft away so i couldn't hear their conversation if there was any. The enraged father pulled his son shirt off and gave it to the TSA agent to search, thats when this video begins.


forking unbelievable. They teach the children in school that they can say NO to this, that it's not ok, and then they take the child and prod him and tell him that is ok?

fork this.


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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:13 pm 
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forking unbelievable. They teach the children in school that they can say NO to this, that it's not ok, and then they take the child and prod him and tell him that is ok?

fork this.


And this shiitake is why I will be avoiding airports for a long time. I do not want x-rays every time I fly, and I absolutely do not want someone to grope me. I find it incredibly offensive. But beyond that I cannot teach my children to think that someone touching them (or me) like that is OK. EVER. I am so deeply disgusted. I just wish I didn't live 3000+ miles away from my family. I may suck it up and take the train, even though it'll take days to get home.


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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:19 pm 
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celyn wrote:
forking unbelievable. They teach the children in school that they can say NO to this, that it's not ok, and then they take the child and prod him and tell him that is ok?

fork this.

The TSA bisque looks so forking smug in that video, too. Anyway, this is something else I was talking about today- we teach kids it's not ok for people to touch them and pat them down all over their bodies "except for at the airport- the TSA agent." ???

What was it? Age 13 is subject to pat-down?


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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:28 pm 
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I'm not sure why private contractors would be better trained. A corporation providing this service might look at more extendive training as harming their bottom line. Take that, Mr. Elliptical.

Perhaps because they're easier to fire and held more accountable? Or at least they won't be able to bring a civil lawsuit against you for electing not to fly after you realize your options are nude photos or bad touch?


I guess I don't see the connection between private, corporate interests and accountability. I think if all this stuff gets put under the umbrella of Blackwater Airport Security, those agents would end up totally untouchable.

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So a three-year-old fails to set off the metal detector and they figure they need to give the pat-down. Why? Look, I don't planes to get blown up any more than any other sane person, but we have lost our liv-a-snap minds!

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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:08 pm 
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The worst part of this for me is that when it gets brought up, people for serious don't understand why I object to being seen naked by strangers or being touched. So i'm just going to wear a shirt underneath my regular shirt that says 'I was molested as a child and sexually assaulted as a teenager' and pull up my first shirt anytime anyone starts talking about how it's not a big deal. There is a bigger picture even if you personally don't mind.

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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:26 pm 
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There is a bigger picture even if you personally don't mind.


Exactly. This is true with so many important issues, where some people not only don't care but don't realize that other people may care very much, or that they in fact should care.

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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
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I'm not sure why private contractors would be better trained. A corporation providing this service might look at more extendive training as harming their bottom line. Take that, Mr. Elliptical.

Perhaps because they're easier to fire and held more accountable? Or at least they won't be able to bring a civil lawsuit against you for electing not to fly after you realize your options are nude photos or bad touch?


I guess I don't see the connection between private, corporate interests and accountability. I think if all this stuff gets put under the umbrella of Blackwater Airport Security, those agents would end up totally untouchable.


yeah, I dont know what example anyone can use for the private sector being more compassionate or humane or understanding. Corporations just give a shiitake about the bottom line. Anyone who thinks differently is living in la la land

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:58 pm 
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I think the corporations give a shiitake about the bottom line?

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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:52 pm 
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i went through this at the buffalo airport in august. i didn't really care about being scanned naked. at first i thought "w tf you dildos" but i read that the images are not stored on some file; they only last as long as you pass through the detector and then are discarded. i was kind of embarrassed that some man was seeing me naked but on the signs by the line they made it look like it wasn't EXPLICITLY your body that they showed, it was just a vague form but enough to show that you weren't holding any weapons on your person.

i was like "haha you stupid security guard you're seeing my body and it's gross HA HA FOR YOU"

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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:55 pm 
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it is pretty invasive
we had the option of opting out and requesting a pat-down instead, i just did the picture

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But these machines DO store images. I had a link to an example a few pages back.

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Otherwise we wouldn't have pictures of them on the internet available for our viewing discussion.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:37 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Opt Out Day
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:50 pm 
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Perhaps because they're easier to fire and held more accountable? Or at least they won't be able to bring a civil lawsuit against you for electing not to fly after you realize your options are nude photos or bad touch?


I guess I don't see the connection between private, corporate interests and accountability. I think if all this stuff gets put under the umbrella of Blackwater Airport Security, those agents would end up totally untouchable.


yeah, I dont know what example anyone can use for the private sector being more compassionate or humane or understanding. Corporations just give a shiitake about the bottom line. Anyone who thinks differently is living in la la land

I meant other people holding the corporation accountable. If a private business office required this kind of invasive physical searching for customers, it would have the media so far up its asparagus it could vomit microphones.

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Unless it's a matter of "national security." they can get away with anything.

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Well, can is different to does. Not saying they dont....


In a different context (not airport security) these images were stored and distributed. Has it happened with airport scanners? I don't know. If it hasn't yet, it's only a matter of time.

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It doesn't need the explicit ability to store or transmit the image. We live in the world of cellphone cameras.


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