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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:16 am 
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Goeidag mevrouw InBerlin!
Wouaw c'est courageux d'avoir lu Harry Potter en Français!
Si tu veux lire d'autres romans en français (non traduits) je te conseille bien sur Le Petit Prince, et les romans d'Amélie Nothomb (en particulier Cosmétique de l’ennemi, très percutant, de loin son meilleur, ou encore Le sabotage amoureux)
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Hoi!
J'ai lu Le Petit Prince en anglais (ou en allemand...) mais je pense que c'est ennuyeux.
Je l'u Cosmétique de l’ennemi de Amélie Nothomb mais pas Cosmétique de l’ennemi. Merci pour la suggestion.

En fraincais j'ai lu:
Harry Potter
La Peste - Camus
Les jeux sont faits - Sartre
35 kilos d'espoir -anna gavalda

J'ai aussi "le rouge et le noir" mais c'est trop difficile....

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:12 am 
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En parlant de 35 kilos d'espoir, si tu aimes la littérature jeunesse, je suis très fan de Marie-Aude Murail. Je pense que son style est assez accessible aux non natifs, et ses histoires sont très touchantes. De façon générale, j'aime beaucoup des auteurs publiés par son éditeur, L'école des Loisirs (je recommande Brigitte Smadja, Malika Ferdjoukh, Christian Lehmann...)

Dans la littérature "adulte", j'aime beaucoup Daniel Pennac (La Petite Marchande de Prose, par exemple), et Martin Winckler, qui est écrivain et médecin (Le Choeur des Femmes, par exemple).


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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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Buongiorno Ladies,
...La Peste! C'est un de mes romans préférés!
J'avais voulu relire Le Petit Prince en allemand quand j'étais en Allemagne mais j'avais aussi abandonné: non seulement je l'avais déjà lu dix fois en français mais en plus je suis tombée sur une grosse erreur de traduction et ça m'a encouragée à lire de préférence dans la langue originale :/

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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Watching American Dad: a guys speaks french: it's a sentence with the word douche in it; it's fun in English but the french sentence has very few sense -wich is even funnier, in a way.

That leads me to this question: Any funny homograph/ homophone to share?

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well there is this one. Unbeatable.

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:41 pm 
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There are so many homophones in my life.... the classic ones I can think of off the top of my head are "pão"(bread) and "pau"(wood aka dick)- i have foreign friends who won't buy bread in the bakery because of the potential for screwups.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:28 am 
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안녕하세요! 저는 한국어를 배우려고 노력중이에요.


안녕하세요! 저는한국어수업을들어요.일학년한국어학생이에요.그래서한국어에서못말하기고싸요.

That took about a thousand hours to type because I haven't yet memorized the Korean keyboard layout.


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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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Je suis Française mais je ne le parle quasiment jamais. J'appelle ma mère une fois de temps en temps, c'est tout. Du coup je commence à buter sur les mots, à faire des tournures de phrases bizarres... C'est très étrange d'oublier sa langue maternelle.

It is fascinating that a native speaker can begin to lose their French.


I suppose anything can go out of practice or confidence? I mean, I don't actually know Croatian, but my dad is a native speaker, but he has been speaking English the most frequently for the last...50 years? At least? He emigrated when he was like 10. Anyway, when we were in Croatia, I could tell without even knowing the language that he was speaking sort of simply and not so confidently. I suppose even native languages can go out of disuse!

It was cute though, my aunt is older so she emigrated older and her Croatian is better and it was fun to listen to her English break down throughout the 2 weeks we were there. By the end, her English grammar was all twisted around and she had to try harder to speak in English!

And I wish I knew any Spanish beyond present tense anymore! And the handful of nouns. Yo lloro para mi espanol. Actually, I was pretty surprised that I remembered "llorar" and google showed me I was right.

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And I wish I knew any Spanish beyond present tense anymore! And the handful of nouns. Yo lloro para mi espanol. Actually, I was pretty surprised that I remembered "llorar" and google showed me I was right.


Yo tambien... spanish tenses! I know I should just pay a little effort but...

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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If I may, can I share?

For the romance languages+german they offer (so far) duolingo.com is pretty awesome. someone asked me to go check it out and see if i could recommend it and so i did yesterday. i haven't looked at the english one yet but the portuguese and spanish ones were pretty awesome. I would recommend it over livemocha, for sure, and probably over mango as well. plus it's free. It is a lot more detailed than livemocha, more nitpicky (good in languages). It is still in development in some languages and in some modules, and it uses an algorithm that sometimes leaves you scratching your head, but the vast majority of it is amazing. It also has resources for intermediate and upper intermediate learners, which is where these programs usually fall down- there are translation modules that are pretty awesome. I recommend it highly!!!!

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Salut! J'ai passe six mois a Bruxelles quand j'avais 17 ans, en 2007, donc je parle francais. J'ai quelques amis francophones, cependent, je voudrais parler plus! C'est dur de maintenir un bon niveau.

Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch. 2009 verbrachte ich 2 monate in Munchen. Ich mag die Zeitschrift Deutsch Perfekt.

I'm Australian and neither of my parents speak another language, so I grew up with English only. Sukoshi nihongo hanashi dekimasu. I learned Japanese in high school but I forget most of it! I'm not bad at reading Dutch (probably from living in Brussels and knowing some German too) and I can pick some things up in Spanish and Italian.

Always want to learn more! And aelle, you are the cutest ever with that graph!

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 Post subject: Re: PPK Language Club
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For the romance languages+german they offer (so far) duolingo.com is pretty awesome.

Thanks for this! It looks like a great site. If I may also offer a recommendation, I've been using the site memrise.com for a while now to learn vocabulary. It is really fantastic. Not only can you use vocab categories that exist, you can custom make your own. Vocab retention is aided by memory mems, which give you a vivid memory of the word and helps retention. Although the main focus of Memrise is for languages, you can use it for any type of knowledge.

Je parle français assez bien, malheureusement la grammaire souffre. En plus...aprendo español y comienzo a confundir los dos idiomas.
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I am going to be dropping in to practice french, as I just started my intense (3 hours/5 days a week) french class. I have been playing around with some basic word apps, and my kitchen cabinets are already filled with Avoir and Être in present tense + a bunch of useful phrases. Been listening to Yelle and Serge Gainsbourg and am going to watch a bunch of french films in the next 6 months. I promised myself a trip to Paris next summer, if I do well on my exams. I can do this!


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Bon courage! Intensive courses is my favorite way to kickstart language learning. Make the best of it!


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I will! I haven't really been serious about learning a new language since I started english when I was 9.. To say I was uninterested in french and german classes when I was a teenager would be an understatement. I am pretty sure I just didn't show up. But it seems like I am doing pretty okay, and I think the workload is manageable and it's fun and I can see how it's useful. I'll update as soon as I figure out how to put together sentences!


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lycophyte wrote:
vijita wrote:
aelle wrote:
Je suis Française mais je ne le parle quasiment jamais. J'appelle ma mère une fois de temps en temps, c'est tout. Du coup je commence à buter sur les mots, à faire des tournures de phrases bizarres... C'est très étrange d'oublier sa langue maternelle.

It is fascinating that a native speaker can begin to lose their French.


I suppose anything can go out of practice or confidence? I mean, I don't actually know Croatian, but my dad is a native speaker, but he has been speaking English the most frequently for the last...50 years? At least? He emigrated when he was like 10. Anyway, when we were in Croatia, I could tell without even knowing the language that he was speaking sort of simply and not so confidently. I suppose even native languages can go out of disuse!

It was cute though, my aunt is older so she emigrated older and her Croatian is better and it was fun to listen to her English break down throughout the 2 weeks we were there. By the end, her English grammar was all twisted around and she had to try harder to speak in English!

And I wish I knew any Spanish beyond present tense anymore! And the handful of nouns. Yo lloro para mi espanol. Actually, I was pretty surprised that I remembered "llorar" and google showed me I was right.


after i lived in holland for a year and came back to germany, my german was so whacko.

i even spoke french with a dutch accent. quell horreur.

then again, im the person who always adapts to accents, too. My boyfriend is from nothern germany and now I started talking like him and peope are always like "awww, your accent is cute, where are you from?" "um, i was born here".

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i even spoke french with a dutch accent. quell horreur.

then again, im the person who always adapts to accents, too. My boyfriend is from nothern germany and now I started talking like him and peope are always like "awww, your accent is cute, where are you from?" "um, i was born here".


My friend's Spanish teacher was born in India. My friend can speak his residual Spanish with an Indian accent. It's awesome.

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I am going to be dropping in to practice french, as I just started my intense (3 hours/5 days a week) french class. I have been playing around with some basic word apps, and my kitchen cabinets are already filled with Avoir and Être in present tense + a bunch of useful phrases. Been listening to Yelle and Serge Gainsbourg and am going to watch a bunch of french films in the next 6 months. I promised myself a trip to Paris next summer, if I do well on my exams. I can do this!


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have you seen the thread about Paris? there are links to vegan blogs in french

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Does anyone have any useful resources for learning Mandarin/Putonghua? I learned the basics for getting around as a vegan when I was in China in 2007/08, but I could never really make conversation, and I'm thinking about learning. I also never learned to write, so that'd be great too!

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livemocha has a mandarin section. http://livemocha.com/pages/languages/le ... n-chinese/

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Gunk, for listening, you might want to check out chinesepod.com. It's not free, but they do have a trial. There's a huge amount of content on all levels. I used it when I was starting out and still listen to their advanced content now. The dialogues are fun and interesting and the language used is what you'll actually hear in mainland China. It's probably the resource I have used most studying Chinese.

I started learning to write using the homework manual that accompanied the text Chinese Link. I think any book that teaches stroke order and the meanings of the radicals (parts that make up the characters) would be fine. Reading and Writing Chinese by William McNaughton is a good resource. Once you got the basics down and can guess how to write most characters after a glance, skritter is an awesome app that you can use to practice writing. Again, not free but definitely worth it if you're serious about learning.

If you haven't tried it before, I'd also recommend using an SRS flashcard software. Anki is what I have used. You can download decks made by other users, but I have always made my own using the content I'm currently studying. It's possible to add sound and pictures as well.

nciku is a good online dictionary and pleco is a good dictionary app. I only use the free part of pleco, but I know they have several additional features for paying users.

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Anki all the way, baby. Set your "new cards per day" to something really low (8?), though, otherwise it's overwhelming.

There's also the Tatoeba multilingual corpus which has example sentences in multiple languages when you get a bit more advanced, which both builds your vocabulary and gives you a feel for the language in use.

I have mixed feelings about LiveMocha. It seems like a really good idea, but its lessons just aren't good enough. The "it's better than Rosetta Stone and it's free" argument falls flat when you realise that Rosetta Stone just isn't that great. By all means start it and plough your way through, but don't expect fluency from a one-size-fits-all web app.

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