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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:04 pm 
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Okay, so I can't remember where I read it and I can't find it now, but I once saw a good breakdown of the resources consumed and pollution created by producing one pound of tofu halfway across the world, versus one pound of beef in your backyard. The conclusion was that tofu produced far away was by far the more environmentally friendly choice.

Has anyone seen a good source for comparing vegetarian proteins or meat in that way?

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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:20 pm 
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I'll suggest listening to Colleen's podcast episode "The Moral Crusade Against Foodies" (either through itunes or at compassionatecook.com)... might give you some good ammunition.


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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:26 pm 
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abbierae wrote:
Okay, so I can't remember where I read it and I can't find it now, but I once saw a good breakdown of the resources consumed and pollution created by producing one pound of tofu halfway across the world, versus one pound of beef in your backyard. The conclusion was that tofu produced far away was by far the more environmentally friendly choice.

Has anyone seen a good source for comparing vegetarian proteins or meat in that way?


http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/664S.full.pdf

Unfortunately this isn't exactly what you're looking for (pature raised beef vs imported soy). It might help though.

edit - this might be helpful too. I think they compare imported soybeans to local meat in this one.

http://assets.wwf.org.uk/downloads/how_ ... _we_go.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:45 pm 
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abbierae wrote:
Okay, so I can't remember where I read it and I can't find it now, but I once saw a good breakdown of the resources consumed and pollution created by producing one pound of tofu halfway across the world, versus one pound of beef in your backyard. The conclusion was that tofu produced far away was by far the more environmentally friendly choice.

Has anyone seen a good source for comparing vegetarian proteins or meat in that way?


http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/664S.full.pdf

Unfortunately this isn't exactly what you're looking for (pature raised beef vs imported soy). It might help though.

edit - this might be helpful too. I think they compare imported soybeans to local meat in this one.

http://assets.wwf.org.uk/downloads/how_ ... _we_go.pdf


Ooh, these are great, thanks dude!

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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
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You're welcome! Thanks for doing something awesome!

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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:55 pm 
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Everyone gave great suggestions already. I'd add that expanded space for grazing (whether you're raising cattle "humanely"or just free-range) means less land for wildlife. Animal agriculture has been a major destroyer of wildlife habitat as well as just outright killing nuisance wildlife. I don't have stats at my fingertips, but should be relatively easy to google.

To me, though, it always comes down to the fact that animal lives' are their own. They don't belong to me to breed, herd, milk, steal eggs from, confine, exploit through entertainment, test cosmetics and drugs on, shave, pluck, or kill. That my choices happen to have an ecological, human welfare, or health benefit is just icing.


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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
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To me, though, it always comes down to the fact that animal lives' are their own. They don't belong to me to breed, herd, milk, steal eggs from, confine, exploit through entertainment, test cosmetics and drugs on, shave, pluck, or kill. That my choices happen to have an ecological, human welfare, or health benefit is just icing.


+1 to that!

However, what I think is most important in this context is getting across a message which encourages people to reduce their meat consumption or eliminate meat entirely from their diet, which may be most effectively done by appealing to those extra benefits. I've certainly found people are more willing to listen if your suggestions come from a perspective of something which they already care about, such as the environmental impact of meat, but I still always try to bring in the ethical side of veganism too if I can. I'm sure you'll do great :)

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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:02 am 
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"Humane meat" seems like such an oxymoron...like saying, "I'm going to kill and eat you eventually, but in the meantime I'll be nice to you."

It's awesome that you're doing this panel and representing the vegan perspective!

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And don't forget the poop!

Livestock in the US produces nearly 60 tons of manure every second!

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When I scrolled past this topic, I thought it said 'human meat plane'.

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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:55 am 
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How'd it go?

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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
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I'm anxious to hear how your evening went.

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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:54 am 
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Yeah, how’d it go?

Was it a train wreak or more like a Hindenburg explosion?

When the topic is humane meat those really are the only two possible outcomes.


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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:57 pm 
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I can't believe I just saw this today! I would have been interested in going to support our vegan views. Hope you will come back in and tell us how it went!


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 Post subject: Re: Sitting on a humane meat panel
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How did it go? I'm really interested to hear how it went :)

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