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 Post subject: Bill Gates wants to make fake meat?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:42 pm 
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this is an interesting article i saw posted on facebook

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Billionaires+value+plant+based+food+technology/8092832/story.html

seems like Bill Gates and some other folks see the unsustainability of factory farming and want to make fake meat more to reduce the environmental impact more than an ethic animal rights reasoning.

they claim they are going to make fake meat that tastes so much like regular meat that everyone will eat it.

whatever their reasoning and motivations less factory farming and meat consumption is always a good thing though i do wonder how much like meat they can make things actually taste. fake meat isnt exactly a new concept.

i also have to wonder even if it tastes like real meat how many actual die hard meat eaters are gonna eat it? i mean people who are interested in meat alternatives have already tried them.


i think the whole growing of meat from animal cells is just nasty. blech. blurs all sorts of weird moral lines.

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 Post subject: Re: Bill Gates wants to make fake meat?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:48 pm 
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I think quite a bit of meat eaters would be interested in vegan meat that tastes like animal meat. A big reason why some people don't want to go vegan is because they have a difficult time adjusting to the food. It sounds like a lame excuse but that's what does it for some people and if it gets them to go vegan, I'm all for it!

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I'm interested to see where this goes. My dad is one of those people who tends to think a meal isn't complete without some kind of meat - he certainly won't go more than a day without some kind of meat. I've always wondered if he'd relax that if we had a better meat substitute to fill his nostalgic urges.


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I think growing meat from animal cells is really the only way this is going to happen, and is what the future will entail. Also the animal cells are probably so far removed from directly coming from an animal that ethically it doesn't cross any lines whatsoever for me. Similar idea to stem cell research.

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personally, i agree with you and think whatever the motivation, less factory farming and animal suffering is a good thing.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:22 pm 
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Fake meat by any means necessary. Well, almost. And yes, everyone will eat it if it's marketed well.

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I think this is great, and their every effort to market these products will not only be an advertisement against factory farming, but as has been said one that will offer a more palatable alternative to most people than a completely different diet.


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I think growing meat from animal cells is really the only way this is going to happen, and is what the future will entail. Also the animal cells are probably so far removed from directly coming from an animal that ethically it doesn't cross any lines whatsoever for me. Similar idea to stem cell research.


The cells aren't the problem, but the growing medium is:
http://www.veganscientist.com/2011/08/vat-meat.html


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:43 am 
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The other thing that would make this take off is if they can offer the product at a reasonable cost.

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that's a good point. no die hard meat eater is going to switch to fake meat if it's too expensive when factory farmed meat is so inexpensive.
unless they are starting to have health concerns and want to make a switch but dont want to give up the flavor.

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 Post subject: Re: Bill Gates wants to make fake meat?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:23 am 
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I'm assuming if they're doing this for sustainability purposes, they are taking cost into consideration.

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People eat meat:
1. because they like the taste, flavour, aroma
2. old habits die hard, they always ate meat, their parents ate meat, their grandparents ate meat...
3. so that they don't stand out
4. because of image
5. because they believe meat really is healthier, or will help them achieve their goals (paleo, LCHF, Weston A. Price, bodybuilding, Atkins)
6. because they believe they can't live without it ("So, do you take any supplement to compensate for the lack of meat?")
7. they don't want to, but they procrastinate their vegetarianism

I don't think 4. or 5. will stop eating meat for as long as any meat is available.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:05 pm 
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i wonder why he can't just finance beyond meat. get them a giant machine and help them go bigger and better.

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supercarrot wrote:
i wonder why he can't just finance beyond meat. get them a giant machine and help them go bigger and better.


True. Why reinvent the veal?

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 Post subject: Re: Bill Gates wants to make fake meat?
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i wonder why he can't just finance beyond meat. get them a giant machine and help them go bigger and better.

It doesn't have the same nutritional qualities and it involves hexane treatment? Those would be my guesses. Even though vat meat would be an "unnatural" process, I think that non-vegans might largely prefer it as at least somewhat more "natural." Learning that your soy meat is processed with a neurotoxin might be more alarming to some than vat meat.

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 Post subject: Re: Bill Gates wants to make fake meat?
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If they make fake meat with the same nutritional contents as real meat, I won't eat it. I already get enough saturated fats from VPITS.


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rhelune wrote:
If they make fake meat with the same nutritional contents as real meat, I won't eat it. I already get enough saturated fats from VPITS.


Mark Post and others involved in vat meat research have indicated that they want to reduce saturated fat and increase monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats to make the meats appeal to the health conscious. If that can be managed while maintaining the flavor and texture of meat (and micronutrient content), I think there could be a lot of takers.

I love beyond meat but it doesn't contain b-12, taurine, creatine, heme iron (which doesn't really affect me, but might appeal to people with iron deficiencies) and the other handful of nutrients that meat contains and plants don't.

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Heme iron does have its problems (increased risk of diabetes and cardiovascular disease). I'm glad I'm not taking it (my blood iron is normal).

Carnosine also found in meat is sometimes advertised as an anti-ageing supplement, but I'm not too optimistic with anything anti-ageing...


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the whole idea of this test tube meat (i guess im branching off the original topic at this point but that's ok) grosses me out to like the billionth degree but obviously im not in the target market.

isnt Quorn made by some weird process though? maybe i shouldnt talk i used to eat Quorn products pregan (they have egg in them right? )

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 Post subject: Re: Bill Gates wants to make fake meat?
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But quorn is fungi, not animal muscle. I stopped eating meat because "I'm cutting into somebody's muscle. How would I feel if somebody cut into my muscle?!"


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I guess it's good it if reduces suffering and factory farming. That being said, I have no desire to eat meat, or the things that are supposed to imitate it. The idea of eating animal cells grosses me out even if an animal didn't die for me to eat it. I just don't want to eat that.


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 Post subject: Re: Bill Gates wants to make fake meat?
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he's an article about it written by Bill Gates himself.

i find it interesting that it touches on environmental concerns and also feeding poorer countries but not one mention of animal welfare....

http://mashable.com/2013/03/21/bill-gates-future-of-food/

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 Post subject: Re: Bill Gates wants to make fake meat?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:25 pm 
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wait, IS Bill Gates financing Beyond Meat? and Beyond Eggs?

http://www.thegatesnotes.com/GatesNotesV2/Features/Future-of-Food

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Fake meat by any means necessary.

needs to be on a t-shirt.

ETA: "I’ve gotten to learn about several new food companies that are creating plant-based alternatives to meat through some monetary investments I’ve made with Khosla Ventures and Kleiner Perkins." quote from Bill Gates. Guess that answers that!

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 Post subject: Re: Bill Gates wants to make fake meat?
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i flipped through the pages from that link and i dont *think* he is financing them but i think rather he is really intrigued by what they are doing.

not 100% sure though.

makes me wonder about Bill Gates' eating habits.
he says something on the first page about "but we cant ask everyone to be vegetarian"

i wonder if he is veg?

a quick google search didnt turn up much but here he is saying how veganism is the future.

(note: i did not actually watch the video)
http://intellectualyst.com/bill-gates-the-future-of-meat-is-vegan-123/

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2999437/posts
Looks like he might be vegetarian .. although I don't know if that's an irrefutable information source.


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