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 Post subject: Bee Venom Can Kill HIV
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 8:58 am 
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Wonder where this will end up going. Apparently they've discovered that bee venom can kill HIV and are going to try making preventative products like vaginal gel. How do you guys feel about this, as vegans? Killing HIV is great! Testing on bees is not! Using bee products is obviously not vegan, but if it could prevent HIV? I feel like I would have no qualms using the treatment if I already had HIV (because it's better than dying), but what about the preventative stuff? It's a much bigger deal than just not using lip balm with beeswax in it, I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Bee Venom Can Kill HIV
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:11 am 
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I say leave the bees alone. There are already (admittedly not totally perfect) preventative products available in the form of condoms.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:16 am 
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Considering that many people are raped and become infected with HIV and there are around 35 million people in the world with AIDS, I say this is good news. Also, you can easily replicate something once you know it can be used as a treatment so I doubt bees would be used in the end as the source for medicine. I've watched someone die from AIDS, it is a slow painful death and I'm glad there is so much research being done to help people. I just hope any medicine developed would reach those that are affected the most, the poor.

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 Post subject: Re: Bee Venom Can Kill HIV
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:25 am 
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Bees are amazing! My immediate thought was that this could be a breakthrough in parts of the world where many people contract HIV through rape. I don't think I could feel comfortable denying them a way to protect themselves?


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Preventative vaginal gel immediately linked to consensual sex in my brain, as in using it like someone might use spermicidal gel with a diaphragm. Of course, if it's going to help those who need it in areas where HIV and rape are happening a lot then that's great. Even better if the medicine can be synthesized.


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I'd also be hopeful it could be used for other applications, who knows? I figured if they studied it, maybe they'd find other applications. If it is only used for topical, that'd be good too.

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 Post subject: Re: Bee Venom Can Kill HIV
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Probably they will try to figure out what part of bee venom is anti-viral, and then synthesize it. I can't imagine being able to commercially/pharmaceutically "milk" bees for venom. I mean, its not like you would have a hive that you would tap for bee venom on your junk after sex. OUCH.

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I couldn't help but think of king of the hill when I read this.

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As someone who is fatally allergic to bee venom, I have to admit I'm not too stoked on this.

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Well, maybe if its synthesized, the part that alerts the immune system to react might not be there.

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Erika Soyf*cker wrote:
As someone who is fatally allergic to bee venom, I have to admit I'm not too stoked on this.

I'm not fatal, but I am allergic, and a bee venom vaginal gel sounds like forking hell.


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vijita wrote:
Erika Soyf*cker wrote:
As someone who is fatally allergic to bee venom, I have to admit I'm not too stoked on this.

I'm not fatal, but I am allergic, and a bee venom vaginal gel sounds like forking hell.

Presumably no one's gonna force you to put bee venom on your vajayjay?

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j-dub wrote:
vijita wrote:
Erika Soyf*cker wrote:
As someone who is fatally allergic to bee venom, I have to admit I'm not too stoked on this.

I'm not fatal, but I am allergic, and a bee venom vaginal gel sounds like forking hell.

Presumably no one's gonna force you to put bee venom on your vajayjay?


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 Post subject: Re: Bee Venom Can Kill HIV
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Erika Soyf*cker wrote:

BIG GUBBERMENT GIT YOUR BEE VENOM OUT OF MY VAJAYJAY



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I dunno, I feel like bees are having a hard enough time staying alive! And we kind of depend on them for OUR survival, what with pollination and all, so...

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maybe this will make governments start prosecuting the companies that produce stuff that kills bees. if food security isn't enough, then maybe the profits of a bee venom vag gel producing company is.

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maybe this will make governments start prosecuting the companies that produce stuff that kills bees. if food security isn't enough, then maybe the profits of a bee venom vag gel producing company is.


This was in line with my thought process. This could be detrimental to bees but could also help bring more awareness to how important they are.

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I doubt it would end up detrimental to bees. I'm sure it's way more expensive to harvest, extract, and purify than to synthesize in the lab. Have they isolated whatever molecule does the trick?

They might even be able to create a compound that people don't have allergic reactions to.

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Yeah, it's melittin, a polypeptide...so, very easy to synthesize.

Sounds like it's a pretty cool molecule with lots of applications. Yay, science!

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Find its chemical formula and synthesize it! Little confused, does it kill HIV if you are already infected? Or does it stop you from becoming infected?


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