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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:44 pm 
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Zeph's got six nicely grown-in teeth. When he falls asleep nursing, he is sometimes chomps down slowly until my poor nipple is totally pinched. Ouch. :(

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Oh yeah, Elijah does this too, bodhi. I try to unclamp him, but dear god the child is fierce. Oww! I feel ya lol

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i have a box of medela "breastmilk" bottles.
unless there is some reason you would have to store breastmilk and formula differently i assume it's marketed that way for the nipple part. and i have a pack of "low flo" nipples too.

im afraid to introduce a bottle because for the first 2 weeks of nursing we were using the nipple shield the hospital made us use after she was born. we have weaned off that successfully and im afraid of going backwards if i introduce a bottle but it would seriously just be an occasional bottle for convienence sake. but it would be nice to be able to go places and have more than a 2ish hour window before imminent freakout

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re: bottles, of course different things work for different people, but my midwife advised trying a bottle around 3 weeks once breastfeeding is fairly well established... which I did, and she took it amazingly well, and has never drunk as much from a bottle again!

Like you, we only wanted it for occasional use [emergencies mainly, if I got really sick or something] and I'm not upset at all that she doesn't take it, but our experience has led me to believe there really isn't a magic time when all babies will accept bottles/not reject the breast - it just comes down to some babies like their milk from bottles and some babies like it fresh from the source, and some are happy with either. Good luck experimenting with the Punklet!


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I don't think there's any rush for bottles...give it a go and if it doesn't work, then no biggie.

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As I'm transitioning to full time at work now (I'm in today and tomorrow, then all week next week on), I've started telling M he can only nurse when it's time to go to sleep. He seems to be getting it. The first day he was pissed off and kept clawing at my shirt, smacking me in the face, etc. (Not charming, guy.) But a couple days in, he's doing better... He'll sign for milk and I'll say not now, at bedtime and he sort of furrows his brow and then nods ok and moves on.

I guess it's even easier when I'm not there since there's no reminder around.

I know, new stage of life and all, but right now I'm forking sad about this (and crying on the light rail like a fool).

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It's so hard! We're getting ready to night wean at last, soon, and I know there are going to be a couple of nights of tears and hysteria. Urgh.


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Kimba- you'be done a great job and I'm glad you can be happy with moving past the nursing stage!

C&S- hope you feel happier with your situation. He will adjust and you will both survive!

I have one week of school.. Which means one week of pumping! Woot. I really don't mind it and only pump once a day, but I am so excited to pack it away. He is nursing 3x/day and one bottle at the sitter, but I am hoping to cut out the bottle and just nurse 3x/day... And 2x at some point this summer... With th goal to be done nursing by the end of summer. Yikes.

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I feel your pain, bodhi! Scarlett has 10 teeth and she sometimes chomps down HARD when she's falling asleep and not realizing it. Then I scream in pain and wake her up and it takes forever to get her back to sleep. No good!

I also really feel for you, c&s! I can't even handle thinking about weaning yet.


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This was the second (back to back) day of me leaving at 5 a.m. and getting back at 6:30. I didn't nurse him right away but reminded him we nurse at bedtime... he was really inconsolably sad for a bit. I gave him some water, which distracted him a little... took him outside to play, which distracted him a little (he saw the landlords' cat, which helped a lot, and then we drew pictures of cats in chalk which cheered him as well)... and then finally it was time for dinner. He definitely ate more people food than he has been, so that was reassuring.

He was so happy to get into bed at bedtime and nurse. He kept gently stroking my face, and then taking my hand and putting it on his face-- I pet his face a lot while he's nursing and I think he wanted that touch. It was really sweet.

I don't have any plans to night wean him any time soon. He really only nurses 1-2 times a night anyway (usually once around midnight and then again around 4 or so; never has done more) so it's not a big burden. Right now I'm thankful to still have that connection.

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oh C&S that sounds hard!!! im sure things will start to get smoother for you!


we just had our first bottle experience. i pumped like 2 oz earlier. i had no idea how much to pump so i pumped until it seemed like not much was coming out.

she took the bottle ok. she made a lot of noise through the whole thing and fussed more but she drank it.
i held the bottle pretty much horizontally so it woudnt be super easy to drink.
she stopped alot and fussed and would nuzzle my boob, kinda broke my heart but at the same time i was like "that's right that's what we usually want!"

so at least i know in a pinch we can have my husband give her a bottle if i need to go somewhere.

she drank almost the entire 2 oz there's just a bit left but she seems pretty done.

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fork it, Violet's never going to wean. But right now I'd just settle for training her not to have a tantrum when I won't let her nurse when people are over. (I'm not anti-public-nursing, I just don't feel like doing it around my husband's coworkers' wives.)


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Hello all, I have two issues so sorry if this is a long post. Vivian is three months now. We are doing well with nursing but she really has no set pattern. If I had to put it in a pattern I would say she nurses every 2 hours or less. When she goes over two hours that's the exception (she is however starting to sleep longer at night). My problem is that I feel it is literally wasting me away. I've lost all the baby weight plus an additional 12 pounds. This is not something I'm entirely happy about. I can't discuss this with most people because the reactions I get are usually negative. Like I'm "disgusting" for being so skinny so soon after having a baby. I know that breastmilk is basically fat, protein and water and if you don't have it in your diet it will be taken from your body. So I'm trying to get more fat in my diet. I eat avocado toast almost every day. I eat nuts and make cashew cream sauces (not everyday). I'm concerned about losing too much weight or not having good quality milk for Viv.

Second issue. I'm starting back at work 1 day a week for this month. Last monday was my first day back and Viv stayed with mom. I left plenty of frozen milk. My mom kept track and she took about 10.5 ounces while I was gone. However after I came home she wanted to nurse frequently like she was starving. She nursed on both sides and still took a 3 ounce bottle that was left over all within a couple of hours. The next day and night she was up almost every hour wanting to nurse. I'm hoping it was just a coincidence that she went through a little growth spurt but part of me is concerned that she was reacting to me being gone for the day. If that's the case I don't know how she is going to handle when I'm back to work full time.

Thanks for listening and again, sorry for the long post.


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I don't have a lot of help with either of your issues biodancer - but I did want to share one thing that happened to me. I suddenly started dropping weight in a BIG way and around the same time my baby became pretty constipated and when I talked with his pediatrician the first thing she asked was if I was drinking enough water (which I wasn't). She said that if you don't have enough liquid the body mobilizes more fat stores which of course makes you lose more weight quickly and makes your milk heavier on the fat side (which affected my baby's digestion). So in addition to eating more calories maybe make sure you are drinking a ton? When I started making sure I was drinking a minimum of 64 oz of water a day the weight loss slowed down again.


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Biodancer, I had the same issue with weight as well. Lost all the baby weight and then some super quickly, and for me, that's not good! I definitely wasn't drinking enough water or eating enough though. It was so hot that I didn't feel like eating/cooking much, and I could have drank more water. I'd start with adding in lots of water like annasrobbie did. Once I was a bit more settled with eating/drinking habits, my weight balanced out. Hope you can find some balance too!

(And I totally feel you on not being able to discuss it! I got a lot of (sometimes jealous/uncomfortable) comments about how fantastic it was that I had already lost all my baby weight. I really just wanted to keep a normal-for-me weight, and beyond that I didn't want to focus on my weight. People get weird around that topic!)

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Biodancer, I had the same thing happen to me. I lost all the weight incredibly quickly and then some. At one point my husband told me, "You look really...skinny." I said thanks and he said, "Actually that wasn't a compliment. I'm worried about you." My La Leche League leader basically told me the same thing. Eventually I realized I was not eating or drinking enough, despite feeling like I was constantly eating and peeing! I added peanut butter and coconut oil to everything, and snacked on nuts all the time and ate an avocado a day too. I'm not sure if I actually succeeded in getting my weight up despite nursing, or if as Sven naturally started spacing out his nursing sessions as he got a little older my body was able to catch a break and get back to normal.

(I also felt like I couldn't talk about it, since people would just scoff and tell me it was a nice problem to have or think I was humblebragging)


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The acting like she's starving when Mom's home is pretty normal, I think. Babies can also reverse cycle, where they intake little while mom is gone and then nurse like crazy when she's back. Doesn't sound like Viv is quite doing that, but she could just be happy to see you and want some more from the source. I wouldn't panic yet. Give her a week or two to adjust to the new schedule. Things will become more routine for both of you and she'll figure out that you always come back!
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Thanks for the help. I know I definitely don't drink enough water. I can see it in how dry my skin and hair are getting. I have a 20 oz bottle that I filled three times yesterday. If I keep doing that I can keep better track of how much I'm drinking.

The frequency of the nursing seem to be getting back to normal but the sessions are longer than normal. Last night I broke out in tears when she wanted to nurse again so soon after her last feeding. I could barely keep my eyes open and my nipples were so sore. It felt like there was nothing left in my breasts to give her. I just wanted to give up. I won't. I know it's just temporary but I can really understand why so many woman give up after a couple of weeks.


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Okay, this is pretty random, but this whole time with Freya, I've not been able to drink orange juice because it gives her a pimple, red nappy rash. I tried about 13 months or so (some time after a year) and then gave up until 18 months and...voila...no rash! I overdid it a little today, so hopefully we're still okay, but yay!

I drank orange juice, at least a half liter, every single day from about 7 weeks pregnant, so I was not expecting this reaction.

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that's pretty awesome news!

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Yay, Refinnej! How did you realise it was the OJ?

My milk came in yesterday and my porno boobs are insane. Vax is nursing probably every hour at least and it's not enough!! I might hand-express into some milk bags and freeze them for an emergency, just to relieve the boob pressure, but I need Mr Crabby to watch Beet and Raygold (they are too wild and I can't put Vax down around them) and he is really, horribly busy until after his exam on Tuesday (this sucks so hard because I could really use a hand since I just had a baby, but he needs to do well on this exam or else doing the whole OU degree is a waste of time). Vax pretty much only boobs and sleeps and poops these days.

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CC, it was just trial and error with the oj. When she had the super bad gas, I did an elimination diet and citrus was one of the things I cut out, so when I started drinking it again, it was pretty easy to spot. Tried again a few times, but each time...pimple butt :( It didn't seem to give her gas at all though. She gets a bit of a reaction to citrus/citric acid, etc. on her face now sometimes, but I'm hoping she'll grow out of it.

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ugh. this oversupply issue is really frustrating (i am moving this topic over here from where i originally posted about in the stupid questions thread)

ive been trying to only nurse on one side for several sessions until i feel like we are getting towards "empty"
not sure how to tell when/if it's actually empty.
i know the breast engorgement will go away but it's really bad in the morning. today i pumped some from my engorged right boob so i could have my husband give her a bottle in the afternoon while i cooked dinner. so it kind of took care of two problems but not sure if pumping is a good idea.

evening is the worst. 6pm seems to be the witching hour. yesterday she screamed for like 3-4 hours straight. wouldnt nurse for more than 3 mins then would just start screaming at me. wasnt sure if it was the gas or just general baby fussiness as ive heard other people talk about how the "sundown" time seems to set their babies off into fussiness.
today was better, she fussed alot around 6 and now she's sleeping on my husband's lap.

we looked up some videos on infant massage to help alleviate gas and we've been doing that plus the bicycling of her legs. i think it's helping but im not sure.

today she was happily nursing and i was feeling positive then she projectile spewed pretty much the entire contents of her stomach all over me. seems like that can be the oversupply too.
i dont think she has reflux because she doesnt spit up frequently and she's not cranky after EVERY feeding.
i found some good info here.
http://kellymom.com/bf/got-milk/supply-worries/fast-letdown/

the other thing that is happening is rather than pooping several times a day she only poops a couple times but it's like a huge poop and usually it's a blowout and ends up all over me.
not sure if it's related or if it's just normal. the blowouts all over me are more because her legs are skinny and her diapers dont fit.

ugh. just wanted to rant/vent. i just hope im doing the right thing. i hate seeing her scream so much :-/

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LP, my first cried tonnes at that time of day too. And the gassiness - it was rough. It sucks when they cry for so long, but there's only so much you can do. We gave Izzy gripe water, did bicycle legs, all kinds of things, but it mostly seemed to just take time. She'll probably grow out of it all on her own. I know that's probably not very reassuring, but when you're on the other side of this phase, maybe you can just look back on it as part of the whole package of those early days with your little one.

For what it's worth, taking our little guy out for a walk in the stroller at this time really helped. It gave my partner and I some exercise and time to clear our heads a bit, while baby got fresh air and a soothing stroll.

Hope you find some peace! Oh, and I had oversupply really bad with Z last summer. He projectile vomited quite a bit, and I was absolutely terrified, because I thought there must be something terrible wrong with him. It only lasted for a little while though, and once my supply got straightened out, he was fine. And he definitely pooped on me during this phase. And everywhere. Good luck!

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thanks that is reassuring actually. it's good to know others have gone through it so i know it's normal. it's so hard to know what's a normal part of babyness and what's like a problem i need to call the pedi about.

i spoke too soon about tonight being better (actually it still hasnt been *quite* as bad as last night) i tried nursing her after she woke up from her nap on my husband and she nursed for 2 mins then went into full on freak out mode. i dont know how she gets so much air in her but she was like OMG OMG OMG BOOB BOOB GIMME GIMME NOM NOMNOMNOM BOOB and i dont know how to slow that part down. she like attacked my boob.

then my husband is saying i should get the nursing pillow back out and just let her nurse on her back and i dont want to do that. he just seems to see that it's been bad the past couple days and thinks i should go back to what i was doing.

she hasnt pooped since this morning.....im afraid of what's to come!!!

tuesday im going to try to get to the breastfeeding group so they can help me with different positions for nursing.

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