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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:06 pm 
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Well the cheese cloth, half in the water and half out method outlined above worked out marvellously! The texture is very tight and firm but it is moist and flavourful. It is not like the regular boiled seitan texture at all and it more firmer but not dryer than regular steamed in foil method. The bite is most like a more moist version of Vegan Dad's luncheon meat method of steaming for an hour and then cooking at 350 for an hour. I will be cooking exactly like this again for sure.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:42 am 
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So I bowed to PPK peer pressure and bought a pressure cooker. So far, I've managed to overcook rice in five minutes...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:05 pm 
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I've been eyeing this electric pressure cooker -- the Instant Pot -- at Amazon because I like the extra features:

http://www.amazon.com/Instant-Pot-IP-LU ... nstant+pot

Has anyone used one of these?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:18 pm 
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This is what I have and it has slow cook option but I've only used the pressure cooker option
http://www.amazon.com/Nesco-PC6-25P-Ele ... 003YETHCQ/

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:47 pm 
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So I was leaning towards a stovetop cooker, but my mom bought us the Power Cooker digital one. I'm going to try beans today. So many instructions! I'm skeered.


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So I was leaning towards a stovetop cooker, but my mom bought us the Power Cooker digital one. I'm going to try beans today. So many instructions! I'm skeered.
I have a cheapy stovetop one. They are set up so that the pressure causes it to lock as a safety feature - don't be afraid!

It will start off sounding like a normal pan, then make absolutely terrifying noises that will make you want to be as far away from it as you can, then settle down and cook your beans to perfect deliciousness.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:42 am 
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I ended up with digital though! I cooked some split peas yesterday. It isn't quite as complicated as I thought, but the instruction booklet is super unhelpful, so I'm getting all my info from the innerwebs.


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 Post subject: Re: Talk to me about pressure cookers
PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:01 am 
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I want one without the jiggly thing on top that won't explode. I don't really know anything about them, and looking at them on Amazon is a little overwhelming. I'm more interested in cooking than canning.


I have been using one with a jiggly thing on top for 30 years.....no explosions.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:01 pm 
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I've been eyeing this electric pressure cooker -- the Instant Pot -- at Amazon because I like the extra features:

http://www.amazon.com/Instant-Pot-IP-LU ... nstant+pot

Has anyone used one of these?


I just bought one of these (due to a great discount a Susan Voisin's fatfreevegan blog) and am loving it. It is so much easier to use than my old-style stovetop pressure cooker. There's a vegan cook who developed a vegan pressure cooker book whose recipes work perfectly with the Instant Pot (Jill Nussinow's The New Fast Food). I love that when the cooker is done, it will stop and keep things warm for up to 10 hours.

The cooker is huge and takes up a lot of counter space, but I think it's going to be worth it. Also, it's easy to clean! And no jiggly top.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:28 am 
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creep wrote:
I want one without the jiggly thing on top that won't explode. I don't really know anything about them, and looking at them on Amazon is a little overwhelming. I'm more interested in cooking than canning.


I have been using one with a jiggly thing on top for 30 years.....no explosions.

Yeah, me too. When I was in the US last year I missed mine so much- how the hell are you supposed to cook beets without it?

I'm glad to see everyone hopping on the wagon. it is so useful, it saves energy/gas, and is just so convenient. I made soup in it yesterday during a half-hour work break, i love mine.

Oh, also- the jiggly ones, and probably all of them- nobody told me this ages ago when I got my first one- if you keep all the rubber parts in good working trim you have nothing to worry about. look at the gaskets, the emergency valves, the jiggly thing. They all need to be replaced occasionally (the one I have now I bought 7 years ago, I have replaced the emergency valve twice and the jiggler three times, i do admit the jiggler got lost once, my fault).
Inspect them and if anything looks weird or doesn't move the way it should, you need to replace parts. And my mother in law told me that if you use cold water to cool the cooker down so you can open it (stovetop cooker, obvs) the rubber gaskets will wear faster-- not sure how true it is but that is the one part I haven't replaced yet. The only problem I ever had was from the jiggler getting clogged up-- mine has holes i can poke clear with a toothpick, and i do check it every so often.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:00 am 
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And my mother in law told me that if you use cold water to cool the cooker down so you can open it (stovetop cooker, obvs) the rubber gaskets will wear faster-- not sure how true it is but that is the one part I haven't replaced yet. The only problem I ever had was from the jiggler getting clogged up-- mine has holes i can poke clear with a toothpick, and i do check it every so often.


That seems to make sense. The gaskets are the only thing I ever had to replace on my mine, though that is only after years of use for each. They are overpriced, since it is Italian company and only one place in the US sellls them. I still come out ahead financially with all of the money I saved not having to buy canned or frozen beans.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:16 pm 
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Just read through all the comments and it's interesting. Mine is 35+ years old, stovetop with no options, and tends to scorch w/ grains, so I primarily use it for garbanzo, pinto, or black beans. Depending on the soaking length, they each cook in 4 - 6 minutes once they come up to pressure. I sort of go by smell to tell when they're done in that time frame. I always use cold water to bring the pressure down. I wonder if older, stovetop models go to higher pressure, and that's why they cook in so little time? Any of these beans would be complete mush if I cooked them for even 8 minutes.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:34 pm 
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Maybe you live at a different elevation or you get fresher dried beans.

My pressure cooker is a 30 year old Italian model. It cooks black,kidneys,pintos in 15 minutes, garbanzos and soy in 30 minutes.

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The Instant Pot cooker has two pressures, both of which are lower than standard stove-top pressure cookers. The low-pressure is used for veggies and is convenient because you can vent the steam and lower the cooking pressure and temp really quickly. Otherwise, you'd overcook the veggies if you left the pressure to decline naturally. I bet it will be helpful to cook beans at a lower pressure, too. I look forward to trying.

I have nothing against my stovetop cooker, except that in the end I didn't use it very much. I definitely wasn't afraid of it. I guess am a gadget geek.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:32 pm 
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I don't understand all the fear of pressure cookers. The exploding models were from the 1970s. Forty years have passed, and for the past twenty years at least pressure cookers have been tested and insured by UL (Underwriters Laboratories). I've had mine since the early 1990s (it's a Magafesa; I've also heard excellent things about the Kuhn-Rikon) and it's never blown up on me.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:50 am 
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considering that here in Brazil, it would not be overblowing it to say that every family has one and uses it at least every week.
Even so, according to the accident reporting system database, it is only an eighth as dangerous as using a ladder in the home. the accidents that happen seem to be mostly due to either buying crappy "remanufactured" ones. Either that, or people cooking condensed milk cans (whole) inside them, which seems to be either totally safe or absolutely deadly.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:37 am 
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I love my electric pressure cooker (Fagor multi cooker). I've had it for a few years now and probably use it a couple times a week on average. These days it mostly gets used for cooking rice, but when I'm less lazy I like to cook beans and various stews in it. I have had success in cooking slow cooker recipes in it. I dread the day when it dies -- I figure something electrical could bite the dust at any moment. But perhaps the Teflon coating will be the first to go. I am eyeing an instant pot to replace it -- we'll see.

I got the cookbook "The new fast food: The Veggie Queen pressure cooks whole food meals in less than 30 minutes" from the library -- it has lots of simple recipes/meal ideas. There is a 3 minute potato recipe that I was skeptical of, but the potatoes really were done.

Do you guys use any of JL Fields' pressure cooker recipes? I saw that she has a pressure cooker cookbook on preorder on Amazon, and she had tons of recipes on her website.


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I did end up buying the Instant Pot and I love it. Lentil soup in the time it takes me to shower post-workout. The slow cooker function is actually better than my dedicated slow cooker and the timer function is wonderful. (Warm steel cut oats in the morning.) I haven't used the rice cooker function yet. As someone pointed out, it does take up a lot of counter space but it's well worth it for me. Pressure cooker function is also great for making veggie broth with my freezer bag of vegetable cuttings.


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torque wrote:
.. people cooking condensed milk cans (whole) inside them, which seems to be either totally safe or absolutely deadly.

WHAT? wowee zowee


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I got the cookbook "The new fast food: The Veggie Queen pressure cooks whole food meals in less than 30 minutes" from the library -- it has lots of simple recipes/meal ideas. There is a 3 minute potato recipe that I was skeptical of, but the potatoes really were done.

Do you guys use any of JL Fields' pressure cooker recipes? I saw that she has a pressure cooker cookbook on preorder on Amazon, and she had tons of recipes on her website.


Maybe start a discussion for this in the Cookbooks forum? I have some recommendations but I don't want to take this discussion on a detour.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:14 pm 
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Ok! People with Fagor Duos: I bought one. It is extensively sputter and leaks out all over the gasket. It does this even when it is greased with oil like they suggest. Should I assume I got a crappy one? My old cheapo one was way less sputter than this. Usually it does that before it reaches full pressure, and is ok once it is there, but on the way up it makes a huge mess. It has probably been over 6 months, but should I try complaining to Fagor anyway? It took me a long time to figure out that maybe it isn't user error?

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According to hippressurecooking.com, problems with the Duo's gasket and valve calibration are common. Venting pressure cookers sputter as the oxygen is being expelled, but what you're describing sounds excessive. I used the Duo regularly for a couple of years and it dripped down the sides maybe 3-4 times, total. As long as you're oiling the gasket, the spring valve isn't blocked by food, and you're not over filling it, it would seem like a mechanical defect. You should definitely let Fagor know.


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Ok! I am going to cook chickpeas tomorrow and maybe I will take some video so that I am email it to them to show them that it seems defective! I've only used it once or twice when I *didn't* have to wipe up a big mess on the stovetop.

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I've only used it once or twice when I *didn't* have to wipe up a big mess on the stovetop.


Eek! I can only think of a couple of other things to try (which you've probably already done)...

If bean gunk is leaking out, you could try under filling it. They say only half full for beans, but maybe you could try even less. You can also add a tablespoon of oil to keep the foaming down. If it's only water coming out, those probably won't help.

Have you taken the knob off and cleaned the little tube that it sits on? It's doubtful, but I guess they do get blocked.

This makes it more than a couple, but you can also try wetting the gasket to get a tighter seal upfront.

Good luck! Chickpeas are our birthright. No vegan should ever have to clean up a mess to get them!


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It is a big pot so I have pretty much always underfilled it except when I have made boiled peanuts. I add the oil to the pot after greasing the gasket...
I have not taken the knob off, maybe I will try that one. Will take many pictures to send to Fagor.

UPDATE: I cleaned out the knob better, with a mini scrub brush I recently bought and it was a lot better. There WAS some steam still getting around the handle, and even a little around the gasket but it was muuuuuch better than usual. So maybe I just really needed to clean the knob better. Previously I never took it off and only poked it with a toothpick under running water. Next- boiled peanuts again. This is a long long process- over an hour at pressure. I usually do a "quick soak" on them, rinse, then bring up for an hour, then try an see how much more they need. It is still faster than the 48hours in the Crockpot!

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